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    The following may be a long post but it possibly covers about all people need to know about a survival retreat, with an excellent checklist. Anyone who is really interested in survival retreats will surely be interested in the following and comments, questions etc. are welcome >

    A retreat is a place to go to Live, Not die. It's a place out of the mainstream of events that contains the means to survive without outside support.

    As Ragnar Benson, author of "The Survival Retreat, A total Plan for retreat defense" wrote, "It is a matter of wisely identifying what you have available and turning it into something usable.... Fight If you must but try your utmost to orchestrate events so that confrontation is absolutely the remedy of last resort."

    I wish Benson's books were online, for I would clip and post quite a bit from them. Ragnar Benson's books I believe, can still be bought through Paladin Press. His 3 best books about survival retreats are: "The Survival Retreat", "The Modern Survival Retreat" and "Living off the Land in the City or Country" Google them and learn If you are interested in extremely good survival retreat info.

    "The Survival Retreat" is a 125 page book written in 1983. I would like to post a few sentences from that book for it is very important for everyone interested in retreats to know.

    Quoted from Benson's "The Survival Retreat" >
    " Retreats, for survivalists, are places that provide shelter from hostile people, elements and nuclear, biological and chemical agents. Under some circumstances a retreat could be both a summer home and a bunker, but for the average survivalist, that is fairly unlikely.

    To a large extent, the concept of a defensible bunker and an NBC shelter is a contradiction in terms. A shelter must be a buttoned-up, closed-in place that will protect the inhabitants from a hostile environment.

    A bunker is designed primarily to defend strategic locations from hostile intruders. Obviously one cannot defend his bunker if he has his head pulled down so far he doesn't know what is going on outside.

    Happily the solution to this is not as contradictory as it might seem. Intruders will not become a problem if your retreat is well hidden, the approaches strong, and the entrance obscured.

    Secondly, the time of the most intensive biological warfare will not be the time when unwanted visitors will come rambling up to your door.

    If the collapse occurs as a result of economic failure and mob action is a threat, you will have to rely on the fact that mobs generally have no planned, coordinated goal. You must go out of your way to prevent your retreat from becoming a target.

    Another phenomenon that is even more insidious is the concept of the collective shelter.
    One of the first duties of a shelter manager, according to these publications, is to disarm
    the arriving refugees. I sincerely trust that no true survivalist will ever fall into this trap."

    Also from Benson's book "The Survival Retreat, A total Plan for Retreat Defense" >

    The Defensible Retreat checklist

    Once you have your retreat site picked out or even if you have a retreat, homestead, farm etc. then use a checklist to identify your priorities and establish a work plan and budget. Most of the following points must be answered with a Yes. If there are many answered No, then get to work upgrading your retreat or find another location. There is little fluff in the following list:

    Check List

    Yes or No


    ___ ___ Does the retreat provide protection from nuclear, biological and chemical threats?

    ___ ___ Is water available independent of any municipal supply or source?

    ___ ___ Do I know how I will preserve my food?

    ___ ___ Have I identified how I will heat and cook?

    ___ ___ Is it possible to safely store food, clothing, explosives, guns and ammunition at the retreat?

    ___ ___ Can the location be secured now before it is actually manned during the collapse?

    ___ ___ Does it have adequate facilities? Can all the people wash occasionally? Will the toilets work?

    ___ ___ Can the retreat be obscured and hidden now and after the fighting starts?

    ___ ___ Do any neighbors and friends outside of those who will use the retreat know of its existence?

    ___ ___ Have I devised a workable defense plan?

    ___ ___ Can the area be patrolled?

    ___ ___ Is the retreat actually defensible or am I just kidding myself?

    ___ ___ Can the approaches be mined and guarded?

    ___ ___ Do I have the proper equipment to guard them?

    ___ ___ Is the retreat in an area where I can raise a garden, scrounge and generally set up a viable existence after the collapse?

    ___ ___ Do I have a library in the retreat?

    ___ ___ Is the library good enough to provide the information needed after the collapse? If not, what books do I still need?

    ___ ___ What about medical supplies and information? Have I got that covered?

    ___ ___ Have I made plans to keep hordes of people from coming anywhere near my area? Such as blocking roads with trees, rocks, logs, dynamiting bridges etc?

    ___ ___ Have I evaluated my people and attempted to fit them into the various duties the best way possible?

    ___ ___ Am I psychologically equipped to defend my retreat? Can I or any of my group actually shoot intruders or raiders?

    ___ ___ Do I have a stock of barter goods? Are they properly stored?

    ___ ___ Do I know how everyone will get to the retreat, unless it is their permanent residence?


    ___ ___ Are the immediate approaches to my retreat such that they can be made impassable by booby traps or just plain physical means?

    ___ ___ Do I know how much time it will take to close the approaches and who will be in charge of this job?

    ___ ___ Do I have a battle plan that fits everyone into the defense structure? such as shooters, non-shooters, gun loaders, look-outs etc...

    ___ ___ Do I know the warning signs that will indicate that it is time to put my retreat plan into operation?

    ___ ___ Do I the correct guns and ammunition or have I been swept away by the armament gurus into believing that tons of hardware can replace the right amount of the proper equipment?

    ___ ___ Have I planned for retreat communications?

    ___ ___ Do I know what means and material the enemy at his disposal or even who the enemy is in a realistic sense?

    ___ ___ Have I put together a psychological plan to keep people away and discourage them if they do attack?

    ___ ___ Have I planned for special medical/dietary needs of the group?

    ___ ___ Am I skilled at using alternative means of transportation such as bicycles, motorcycles, atvs, trucks etc?

    ___ ___ Am I highly motivated?

    ___ ___ Do I know my home territory?

    ___ ___ Is the retreat adequately stocked with tools, utensils, barter items for use in the new economy?

    ___ ___ Do I know where to get the consumable items we will need such as light bulbs, oil, soap, toilet paper, salt, needles and thread?

    ___ ___ Are fires a danger. If so, what can I do to counter that threat? Such as have fire extinguishers, defensible space around buildings by cutting away brush, thick trees etc...

    ___ ___ Is blast a danger? Will my retreat withstand an explosion? ( such as a deep underground blast shelter/bunker with dirt, rocks, concrete etc. on top)

    ___ ___ Can I properly evaluate situations? Am I prone to hysteria or passivity?

    ___ ___ Do I have a continuing survival training program? even an exercise program to stay in shape?

    ___ ___ Have I studied other collapsed societies and how people are surviving?

    ___ ___ Have I made plans to survive heavy equipment such as tanks and helicopters, If that becomes necessary?

    ___ ___ Do I know how to use game, fish and wild plants in my area?

    ___ ___ Do I know how to garden in my area?


    ___ ___ Is it possible for attackers, raiders to sneak up on my retreat unseen or, more importantly, for them to detect my retreat without exposing themselves?

    ___ ___ Have I tried to look at defeating my retreat from the eyes of an enemy?

    This should cover it all but survival is a personal matter. You have to work out the exact details of your plan."


    MM Mike here again. Hope everyone likes the above list which should cover about everything. If anyone has something to add to that checklist please do. Hope it will be useful to some for it took me over 2 hours to type it all out. I would recommend buying "The Survival Retreat" as well as some of Ragnar Benson's other books also. They can be found at Paladin Press website. Google them If any are interested in obtaining some good books on survival retreats etc.

    I know that the above list is mostly just for those who own some land, especially land in a very rural area. I did not add some questions about explosives. People can think of those themselves If they wish.

    For the many who do Not own land and possibly never will, such as those in cities, in apartments etc. then hope you can take what you are able to and what you need from the above checklist. A survival retreat can be part of a farm, ranch, homestead, especially an off grid, self-sufficient homestead (which is pretty rare in the USA) or whatever one can imagine it to be. It is still possible to have a survival retreat even in an apartment. A good well stocked survival retreat is good to have but survival is also a state of mind and having the Will to Live, no matter what. Some of us will not give in no matter if society becomes a police state or if there is a complete societal and/or economic collapse. Unlike some who will try to be at ground zero so they will not have to survive to face whatever future may come, there are some who will at Least try to survive NO matter what happens. Suicide is not an option for we are true Survivalists!!

    Pics of a retreat as one example > http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...ead.php?t=9812

    Maybe others have more pics or comments?


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    So, MM how you doing on the list?
    I been checking out the pic's and posts on your place.
    Seems your on the right track and probably far ahead of most.

    What is the distance you have to travel to get there?
    With what? (saw truck in pic's) All seasons?
    Alternate routes, re-supply along (fuel, and the ever present, Oh carp I forgot my fill in the blank) the way, and long term.

    Mine is 4 hours (with in a tank full of fuel), with many alternate routes, but serious possible bottle necks along the way.
    Traveling back and forth for over 20 years now, have checked out just about every conceivable way of getting there.

    Once there, re-supply might be a long term problem.
    Lot of my list is about half as stated, that last half being, atomic events, defense against tanks and choppers (unless DW finally says, Oh, go ahead, you know you want one), massive assault, pandemic, etc.

    Don't have enough people for a defense, nor would I want to start something I can't finish.

    Point is that everyone looks at it differently....and acts accordingly.
    Cool post though, gives you something to think about.
    Ever give it any thought that after TEOTWAWKI, if you do make it through, these kind of guys will probably running things.
    Kinda a scary thought?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter63 View Post
    So, MM how you doing on the list?
    I been checking out the pic's and posts on your place.
    Seems your on the right track and probably far ahead of most.
    Thanks Sourdough and hunter. Hope some more will comment or even add to this list if possible. I did have to cut some of the list to make it fit the post. Seems like there is a 10,000 character limit.

    I could write for hours on just your first question. I think I have around 90% of that list checked yes. I should not tell any weaknesses although I could always use some good friends and a survival group. IF anyone would ever join me on my remote mtn place. In 1999 there were 12 people who came up and even a couple guys helped me some such as carrying the 2 heavy steel doors up the mtn.

    But this coming summer there are at least 2 people who said they will try to make it to my mtn place and even stay as long as they can. Which I have never seen anyone stay more than 5 days except myself. People can camp and live in the million plus acre Medicine Bow national forest that surrounds my place also.

    But quickly to tell how I am doing is that location is very important. IF I would have had the money etc. I would have bought a good place next to a lake and with good soil etc. But I wanted a remote place in the Rocky Mountains and I got what I could afford, which I am glad I found it in 1987 for land is mostly still terribly expensive today.

    I have plenty of water, wood and wildlife as I have shown and maybe will show more with the pics. Also a fairly well stocked strong underground shelter/bunker which I try to improve every year. All I have time or inclination to say right now. People can ask me anything and I will probably answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by hunter63 View Post
    What is the distance you have to travel to get there?
    With what? (saw truck in pic's) All seasons?
    Alternate routes, re-supply along (fuel, and the ever present, Oh carp I forgot my fill in the blank) the way, and long term.
    The distance from Greeley, CO where I now until I go back up to my mtn paradise in June, is around 200 miles. And I know at least 7 different routes with variations on those routes. Even I know all the 4x4 backroads I could take if necessary. Takes twice as long but very few on those backroads except during hunting season. It takes 4 hours or so If I don't stop to hike or admire the scenery. One of my favorite routes is thru the Snowy Range, between Laramie and my mtn place, which I might show pics of later. People can google images of that range to see it also.

    Halfway from Greeley to my mtn place is Laramie, Wyoming where I top off both my gas tanks. West of Laramie in the small mtn towns are awful expensive gas stations. I try to buy most things in Greeley with all its dollar stores, garage sales and two Wal-mart SUPER centers.

    For the last 5 years I have driven a Ford F-250 4x4 with a 460 engine. Gas guzzler but the power is nice and sometimes necessary especially when I have to haul heavy loads and drag logs which I have pics of that also.

    I have driven small pickups such as a Chevy Luv which had a 4 cylinder and barely enough power to get onto my mtn place. Good gas mileage as I have had a couple others also but for the past 15 years I have driven Fords also a Ford Bronco which was great on the 4x4 trails which I went as far as I could then hiked for miles.

    I have done primitive camping but no pics for it was Primitive and no camera etc. For the last ten or so years I have concentrated on the bunker and building a good survival retreat and working in the forest, mainly cutting Dead trees. I dislike cutting down nice Live trees but there are hundreds of millions of dead pine trees to cut so loggers should keep busy for a long time. It is a tragedy really about the awful many millions of dead pine etc. trees all over the Rocky Mountains even way into Canada.

    Quote Originally Posted by hunter63 View Post
    Lot of my list is about half as stated, that last half being, atomic events, defense against tanks and choppers (unless DW finally says, Oh, go ahead, you know you want one), massive assault, pandemic, etc.

    Don't have enough people for a defense, nor would I want to start something I can't finish.

    Point is that everyone looks at it differently....and acts accordingly.
    Cool post though, gives you something to think about.
    I have seen some defenses against tanks and choppers etc. Maybe should not discuss those things here? But to say a little, is string cables in possible chopper landing sites and tanks - use your imagination. Logs, rocks etc. nuff said...

    Quote Originally Posted by hunter63 View Post
    Ever give it any thought that after TEOTWAWKI, if you do make it through, these kind of guys will probably running things.
    Kinda a scary thought?
    If you mean the kind of guys like myself and a very few others who have spent much of their life preparing for Anything and all possible survival scenarios, then I think it is a good thought.

    Many maybe should be scared but if people know me then they would really not be scared, unless I am attacked. That is another long story. And who knows what will happen? I hope and believe that I and a very few I know will not become dictators or thugs with a gang.

    I have many books on survival, even a 100 book survival library on microfiche that covers much from defense, food growing, outdoors survival and living, rebuilding etc. etc.

    So hope that the people who should survive, will survive no matter what happens. And rebuild with any who will join them, hopefully rebuilding something better. Maybe people will learn from past mistakes and not repeat them?

    But as I have said before even IF Nothing bad Ever happens, at least I have a good vacation and retirement spot to camp, hike and Live on and hopefully to share the beauty with others. Hope the wilderness beauty will last and that we will always have access to it.
    I will as long as I own my mtn place which I paid off in 1990 and plan to Never lose it no matter what.....

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    Seems as you been thinking and doing for quite a while, now.

    So have we.
    We bought our land after a long search in 1989, thought the prices were high then, well they didn't get any cheaper.
    Paid off the first piece, then bought up the piece next door, paid that off.
    All the while we used the land, small camper, for hunting, fishing, canoeing, 4 wheeling and generally having a good time as we made improvements, and tried out a lot of survival techniques, camping and deciding what we wanted to do.

    We then went for the cabin after a long time of talking about it, doing research, checking out designs, financing, didn't want a mortgage.
    Ended up with a log cabin, built by the Amish, locally, and is also paid off.

    All the amenities heat (wood stove/electric, wiring, plumbing, interior finishing were DIY projects, with the exception of well drilling, and state approved septic.

    Next big project is an "Ag building" (tax purposes), and will contain a "storm shelter" at least that what I calling it to the local contractors.
    This will satisfy a couple big list requirements, besides storms. I'll leave it there.

    I have spent a lot of time and effort in meeting, getting to know the neighbors, both the original locals and the other "city people". (no matter how long I've been around, I will always be "city people)

    We do have a loose group of neighbors, owners, that with the help of a few permanent year round residents keep in touch via Internet, phone etc.
    We also had a community garden, don't know if it will continue, as they need more help, but the basics are there.

    I feel this is very important as in good and bad times, you can count on them for additional skill sets, increased numbers for possible defense and generally, have your back as I have theirs.

    The whole area is relatively isolated by river on the east side, only one road in and out both ends, and a ridge road out the back side for a 3-4 mile area.
    All land and road access are on and across land owned by the friends.
    If necessary it wouldn't take much to seal off access.
    So in a sense we have not only built a BOL, retirement/vacation home but a community of like minded people.

    Well enough of that, but I would be interested to know if you know your neighbors, up and down your road, in case of trouble, meaning anything from cutting your ankle with an axe, to help with wood cutting, to out right defense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MM
    I have seen some defenses against tanks and choppers etc. Maybe should not discuss those things here? But to say a little, is string cables in possible chopper landing sites and tanks - use your imagination. Logs, rocks etc. nuff said
    Actually, not very affective. Germany built the Siegfried Line in WWII complete with dragon's teeth to stop tanks. All the Americans did was back dump trucks of dirt up to the the teeth, fill them in and drive over them. Took a couple of hours to roll over them. Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Actually, not very affective. Germany built the Siegfried Line in WWII complete with dragon's teeth to stop tanks. All the Americans did was back dump trucks of dirt up to the the teeth, fill them in and drive over them. Took a couple of hours to roll over them. Just a thought.
    I truly hope that tanks etc. will never come down my private road. In the winter and if it rains a lot possibly the road would be too soft or difficult for heavy tanks to travel. Although I have seen a bulldozer go down it once.
    But to theorize and even fantasize about how to stop tanks I was thinking of using rocks and especially logs. I have some steep hillsides and one is like a 20 plus foot cliff. I was thinking that possibly could have a large stack of logs held by cables and then cut the cables and let the logs fall, rolling dowh the hill off the cliff and onto tanks etc. Hopefully disabling or even knocking them off the road down the mountain.

    Or If I had a lot of help and more cables and could set this up also >
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    Most probably won't happen but looks like fun?

    And with choppers there are the cables strung which I read about somewhere and also a rifle and/or shotgun especially with slugs might also work. This all of course is only as a last resort and only used if TEOTWAWKI happens, police state etc.

    But as some have said such as in Benson's "The Survival Retreat" laying low and being well camoflaged and off the radar is best and avoid conflict if at all possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter63 View Post

    I would be interested to know if you know your neighbors, up and down your road, in case of trouble, meaning anything from cutting your ankle with an axe, to help with wood cutting, to out right defense?
    The past ten years or so there have been many more neighbors build cabins and a couple just bring an RV up for the summer. In short is that I did get to know these neighbors but I had to make the first move.

    I am not real certain if I can count on any neighbors up there to help with defense or wood cutting but I believe most would help if I ever got injured etc. Once I did get wet and cold while hiking and earlier I had worked for a neighbor and it rained much that day which I had a rain coat on but my pants got real wet. While hiking back to my mtn place for over a mile it was pretty cold. This was in Sept. and so I stopped at a neighbors place to warm up. I had worked for them some and they have a Huge woodstove. So I warmed up some not dried out.

    For a long answer about knowing my neighbors within a mile or two of my mtn place is this >

    I found out from a fairly drunk neighbor guy who I helped with some work and he paid me with a box or two of shot gun shells, that some of the neighbors who have cabins a 1/2 mile to over one mile plus away from my land, did call the quiet guy who is Always up on his mtn place - a "hermit" At least they did not call me a scary "survivalist"

    One 70 year old neighbor told a younger guy, "you go up and talk to the hermit, and he said no You go." They never did and could not get Mikey for the only Mike up there is the "hermit" Mtn Man Mike. I finally did go down to talk to a couple of them, especially when one had a tree across the private dirt road when I was driving around about 3 years ago so I had to stop and talk and help them move the tree.

    My favorite neighbors are the numerous animals some such as gray jays, squirrels, chipmunks, deer and others which live on my land. But unlike one old lady I once knew, I do not talk to animals out loud anyway.

    Many other animal visitors pass thru my mtn place stopping for water at the springs or ponds or even to harass the chipmunks etc. I saw a Swainson's hawk which is one of the smallest hawks, swoop down and try to catch a chipmunk. Not quite quick enough for the chipmunk did survive.

    Many other animal visitors, of which I think I have seen every Rocky Mtn animal on or near my mtn land except for grizzly bear, mtn lion or wolverine. But too many animals to tell about in this post.

    But I suppose you mean human neighbors which I do see people drive by on the private road which all of my land is above this private road as seen in the pics.
    I usually hear traffic but some people seem to coast if they are coming down the road and so hard to hear them. Although some have noisy pickup trucks especially if they are pulling a trailer. Some days there is No traffic, which I like but Saturday and Sundays have much more traffic such as some riding their dirt bikes or atvs around and around the private dirt road which is about two miles in a zig zagging circle. I have counted up to ten different vehicles on a busy Saturday. But that is about as heavy as the traffic has ever gotten on the private road that goes by my mtn place.

    Almost no one stops. Especially from 1987 to 1997 I was almost the only person up on this private land "subdivision" I dislike seeing the private land around my mtn place called a subdivision, for it is more like wilderness and has no electricity or utilities unless people have generators or solar. I call this sub-division a suburb of the ghost town of Battle which is almost a mile uphill from my mtn place on top of the Continental Divide.
    During this first ten years there were only four cabins a mile and more downhill from my mtn place and the owners hardly ever came up.

    From 1997 to now, there have been at least twenty more cabins built within a mile or two from my mtn place. All kinds of cabins from a small 10 x 12 foot cabin to a Huge two story, possibly 5,000 sq ft. cabin about a 1/3 of a mile downhill from my place. This cabin also has a large garage underneath it which they have filled with much firewood, lumber, many tools, equipment etc. Even a washing machine which I helped them unload.

    I only met them a couple years ago and have worked some for them the past two years. Such as getting more firewood for them, helping build their 20 x 60 x 8 foot deep trout pond. I also feed their trout when they are not up there. Although that takes more of my time for I just walk to their place. These people are 70 plus years old but can outwork most people.

    It really was not until 2006 that I began to visit with the numerous neighbors within a mile of my mtn place. I have always stopped to talk If they happened to be on the road but that was only a couple people.
    I finally stopped being so isolated and luckily I saw in 2006 my neighbor Alfred working along the private road which goes above and around much of his nine acres. He is 70 or so but seems like fifty.
    I stopped and talked to him and finally got to know him after almost ten years of his having built a cabin.

    It seems like others will not make the first move or even stop to visit. But glad I finally did for I have now worked for five neighbors and made extra money which has helped greatly since I usually have never made money from June to Nov. when on my mtn place.

    Alfred told other neighbors that I was available for work and besides doing odd jobs such as removing some dead trees, cutting, splitting and stacking Much firewood etc. for Alfred I also have done other jobs. Such as cleaning up places, hauling numerous loads of trash etc. to the Encampment landfill, helping one guy put a roof on his new cabin and some other jobs also.

    Which has really cut into my time working on my mtn place for there is a tremendous amount of work to do from cutting more dead trees, filling my large woodshed, cleaning and improving my bunker etc., building another cabin into the sunny hillside, digging another small pond in the spring not shown in the pics, digging more into the mtn side, possibly even 100 more feet which I have left the back of my bunker dirt & no finished wall so I will be able to dig more... But it has been nice to meet, work with and visit the neighbors.

    Two of them, the seventy plus year old ones, have had me to dinner several times over the past two years. But they all eat too fancy and not nearly enough food, for my appetite.

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    Hey MMMike! Just stopping by to show my support. Im going to print out your list and use it as a guide.

    As of a few months ago tshtf for my family (money). So in the last few months we've been eating what food stores we were able to put away. Luckily I had the foresight to begin last year!

    But now that we are ALMOST back on track I can once again putting more effort into being "ready".

    Thanks again for the ideas and the inspiration.

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    Great job Mike. It is nice to see you chasing the dream and making it a reality. I went through your checklist and found it to be pretty 'spot on'. Unfortunate truth is I live in a valley surrounded by sagebrush, pastures and fields of alfalfa hay and corn. The Wind Rivers are about 30 miles to the west and we wake up to them every morning and many mornings I dream of being in your position. We spend almost every weekend every summer camping in the 'High Country'. It would be a dream come true, glad to see you livin' it. However my wife and 3 kids dictate a different approach. Keep up the good work, we'll try to keep 'em held up in the low land as long as we can.

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