Eagle Scout Suspended

**Old GI** · 10-14-2009, 12:34 PM

Zero Tolerance (in schools) = Administrator Cowardice.

**crashdive123** · 10-14-2009, 12:40 PM

....or if you were too young to drive, you had to put them in the cloak room (coat closet) during class.

**Sarge47** · 10-14-2009, 12:58 PM

Well I attended Public School in Chicago for awhile & when the regular teacher, who ruled with an iron fist, took several months of medical leave the school kept sending in replacement subs. The really mean students would wait until the teacher turned to write something on the blackboard & then throw spitballs, heavy text books at her/him, narrowly missing them. A rubber band made a great improvised slingshot using bent staples & paper clips for ammo. I had switch-blade knives as well as a zip-gun shoved in my face from time to time. If anyone there WAS a Boy Scout, they weren't talking as they would have been roasted alive at their own campfire!

**nell67** · 10-14-2009, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge47

Well I attended Public School in Chicago for awhile & when the regular teacher, who ruled with an iron fist, took several months of medical leave the school kept sending in replacement subs. The really mean students would wait until the teacher turned to write something on the blackboard & then throw spitballs, heavy text books at her/him, narrowly missing them. A rubber band made a great improvised slingshot using bent staples & paper clips for ammo. I had switch-blade knives as well as a zip-gun shoved in my face from time to time. If anyone there WAS a Boy Scout, they weren't talking as they would have been roasted alive at their own campfire!

Either way Sarge,he had thrown it away,not using it for nefarius reasons,she dug it out of the trash can in order to have "ammunition" against him,the nly 2 times it was visible is when it left his pocket,and when she dug it out,oh and by the way,rubber bands are a requirement in some classes.....

**crashdive123** · 10-14-2009, 02:12 PM

Yeah but Sarge ---- you were in Chicago.

**RangerXanatos** · 10-14-2009, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by crashdive123

Yeah but Sarge ---- you were in Chicago.

While I was in HS, they got a new Spanish teacher. The kids were just horrible to him and the school did nothing to try and prevent it. I wasn't one of his students, but I would have never treated him like the other students did.

The kids:
Threw books and hit him
Stole his hubcaps
Hit him with paper wasps
Put tobacco spit in his coffee
and other things that I'm sure I don't want to know about.

And this was happening in a school of less than 900 students and a county of a little more than 20,000.

**rwc1969** · 10-14-2009, 03:09 PM

I was kidding about the 97% part, but these days you never know.

I don't agree w' kids getting suspended for knives or rubberbands unless they're using em to do bad.

Where I live, people find out I'm carrying a pocketknife and although they don't freak out you can tell in the back of their mind the wheels are turning. Most people I know don't own knives, other than kitchen kinves, and have very little understanding of hunting, fishing or even camping.

In my school a rubberband was far more dangerous than a 2" pocketknife. Heck, paper airplanes were used as lethal weapons. Kids would put razors, slivers of aluminum pop cans, and pins in the noses and wingtips and chuck em down the stairwells between classes. Paperwads with a pin stuck thru and a rubberband to launch em...HEADS UP!

**oldsoldier** · 10-14-2009, 06:06 PM

I grew up in the country carried a pocket knife starting in 3rd or 4th grade. 1970-71. Where I went to high school rural area. 90% of the students that drove to school me included when I got old enough. Drove pikup trucks and about 75% of them had at least 1 rifle or shotgun in the rack in the rear window. There was NEVER an incident of violence involving a knife of gun in all the years I went to school and Never one up until the high school closed in 1994!! Imagine that! IMO things like the suspension are getting out of hand.

**RCKCRWLER** · 10-14-2009, 07:13 PM

I'm an elementary teacher in Vegas. We have the same zero tolerance policy. I have had to suspend kids that bring knives to school. However, The kids that "brought it to peel and apple", "went camping and forgot it was there" etc and proved they meant no ill harm to be done were back in school the next day. Parents were called in and the knives were returned.

There have been cases that a kid threatened to kill another student after showing them the knife and another one a kid put a knife around another kids throat and stated, "This is what I 'm going to do in front of the cameras." (Harry Reid was here that day with more cops and body guards that I could count. Not a good day for that kid.)

I guess the point to my rambling is that yet again lawyers have F'd everything up and now "we" are stuck with blanket policies that are supposed to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside because there is a new buzz word being used that will "scare" students and make them think twice about bringing a "weapon" to school.

My parting thoughts... Do they really think the gang bangers that go to school care there is a zero tolerance policy?

Different times for sure than when I grew up. Granted it was a po-donk town in Upstate NY but I remember taking my senior picture with my shotgun and then handing it to the Principal to keep in his office because we were going deer hunting after school.

**Rick** · 10-14-2009, 07:18 PM

We had surprisingly few problems in the monastery where I went to school. I say surprisingly because some of those monks were bad to the bone. Fortunately, they took a vow of silence so they could only make hand gestures. But some of them we won't discuss.