Can we have this conversation?

**Sam Reeves** · 07-09-2008, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by nell67

Telling it the way it really was?? Remember,you are spouting the WHITE MANS version of how history unfolded...

So are you saying White men a liars just that the victor is one one who wrights history?

**nell67** · 07-09-2008, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Sam Reeves

So are you saying White men a liars just that the victor is one one who wrights history?

Nope,I am saying that the white man wrote history the way they wanted it to be remembered,you don't think for a minute that the publishers of the time (white folk) would actually have published a book written by indians about the transgressions against them and let it go without rewriting it to suit the image that they wanted of the indians,do you?? What you read in history class was written from a one sided perspective,to be more acurate,it should include actual facts from the indians side of the story as well.

**Sam Reeves** · 07-09-2008, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Beowulf65

Sam Reeves, come on dude, think about it.

Yes she is, by Japanese martial standards. I have a 4th degree black belt in Aikido, and a 2nd degree in Iaido, in Japanese martial standards that makes me a warrior. Martial Arts... think of the words smart guy. Karate is Japanese for Way of the Empty Hand, a martial art of self defense. The arts of japan date back to the fuedal times and the era of the samurai and most Japanese still view things this way.

Sorry, I don't go by the Japanese standard.
I imagine if keep at it by y'alls definition half the worlds population will be warriors.[/quote]

The NATIVE AMERICANS, did back then what we call Guerrilla Warfare by todays standards, they trained from birth to be hunters, gathers, and warriors. The Native Americans gave us our history here in the U.S. and what we did was so disgusting and shows how we broke our word (treaties) at any given point. A word and your personal honor is all you have and what did we show the Native Americans? Folly, lies, and backstabbing. During the French & Indian War Rogers Rangers were based off of the tactics of the Native Americans because they were kicking the crap out of the Brits, the French had already formed this form of warfare as it was better suited to the terrain. George Washington (who was a major under Gen. Braddock) told that idiot to use the colonials up front as they had learned from the Native Americans hunting and warfare. So yes they were better and smarter fighters than the Brits.[/quote]Somehow you discounted the element of supply lines and the ability to move an army vs. the ability to snipe and run for the hills. The Brits were eventually smart enough to fight fire with fire. The Indians were not smart enough to ever recover from this.

Custer was an idiot who walked into an ambush and got what he deserved.

I said as much on this forum about a week ago.

To say the Native Americans were behind is just stupid, they were doing fine until we showed up and screwd them out of everything and gave them disease. Our past is disgusting and as I have said sooooooo many times this country was NOT discovered, you cannot discover a land when the people who live there are standing on the shores looking at you. Discovery means finding something others have not. Europeans were dirty and disgusting only bathing every great once in a while, while the Native Americans bathed daily, personal hygene was big among the tribes of North America.
Source: Documentary Movie- The War thet made America by PBS & the History Channel
Book- Braddock at the Monongahela by Paul E.Kopperman
Book- Journals of Robert Rogers of the Rangers by Robert Rogers
Book- Christopher Gist’s Journals with Historical, Geographical and Ethnological Notes and Biographies of Christopher Gist
by William M. Darlington

Did the Indians bath before or after they swapped their wives for a pony or hacked themselves hoping for some vision?

These are in my library if you wanna read the history of our country in truth and not the pack of crap in schools history book,
So you are wrong and still think you are right... that is truely sad. Think before you post. My signature sums you up pretty good too. Thin about it.
Beo,

Okay.

**Sam Reeves** · 07-09-2008, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

Sam, no less than seven people, in this thread alone, have told you that you're wrong. Maybe that's something to consider.

What exactly am I wrong about, Rick. Do you FEEL that something is wrong?

**Sam Reeves** · 07-09-2008, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by nell67

Nope,I am saying that the white man wrote history the way they wanted it to be remembered,you don't think for a minute that the publishers of the time (white folk) would actually have published a book written by indians about the transgressions against them and let it go without rewriting it to suit the image that they wanted of the indians,do you?? What you read in history class was written from a one sided perspective,to be more acurate,it should include actual facts from the indians side of the story as well.

So basically you now just saying White authors on the subject of Native Americans are lairs.

How do you know a book written by Native Americans wouldn't be equally as biased?

**Rick** · 07-09-2008, 07:22 PM

I have no feelings, Sam. You should know that by now. What are you wrong about? Most of the things you post and nearly everything in this thread. Now, I know that will wind you up so post what ever words you like because I won't respond.

**Sam Reeves** · 07-09-2008, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

I have no feelings, Sam. You should know that by now. What are you wrong about? Most of the things you post and nearly everything in this thread. Now, I know that will wind you up so post what ever words you like because I won't respond.

-Ex-military offers lead the Colonial Army.

-Little girls aren't warriors.

-Most criminals in Atlanta look the same.

-Y'all talk about how y'all feel rather than the facts.

Dang it, Rick. I was hoping you would FEEL the need to refute some of that.

**nell67** · 07-09-2008, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Sam Reeves

So basically you now just saying White authors on the subject of Native Americans are lairs.

How do you know a book written by Native Americans wouldn't be equally as biased?

No Sam,I think you beLIEve too much of the crap regarding indians,and your view has been distorted against the original people of this country( and basically any other minority for that matter) whose only crime it seems is to try to protect what was rightfully theirs in the first place.
Would indians have been equally biased,what would have been so wrong about their position on the matter,they showed kindness,and friendship to the first people from a foreign country,and for that they were slaughtered,or rounded up like cattle and herded to another part of the country,only to have the same thing happen there,when the white man could not be satisfied with what he had already taken.

**nell67** · 07-09-2008, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sam Reeves

-Ex-military offers lead the Colonial Army.

-Little girls aren't warriors.

-Most criminals in Atlanta look the same.

-Y'all talk about how y'all feel rather than the facts.

Dang it, Rick. I was hoping you would FEEL the need to refute some of that.

Your facts are lopsided.

**crashdive123** · 07-09-2008, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sam Reeves

Actually, I believe you are on to something here, Crash. I evoke a "emotional" response form some people because they think emotionally and view things in the way that they "feel" about it. This usually means that they are not thinking logically and afford themselves to disregard the brass tacts of the truth.

Now, Crash, do you really want to talk about what most criminals look like in Atlanta, Ga or do you want to tell me how you "feel" me even bringing up things that everybody knows but nobody wants to talk about?

The emotional response that you evoke from people is due to your one sided (as you have proudly proclaimed, bigotted view of things). Now if you want to talk about feelings you can. You talk about criminals in Atlanta all looking the same. When you do, you are wrong - they don't all look the same, but you do expose something else. Not only are you a bigot, you are a racist. Now is that based on FACTS or FEELINGS?

**Sam Reeves** · 07-09-2008, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by nell67

No Sam,I think you beLIEve too much of the crap regarding indians,and your view has been distorted against the original people of this country( and basically any other minority for that matter) whose only crime it seems is to try to protect what was rightfully theirs in the first place.

I suppose next you'll be telling me that these men who brutally trained for war for most of their lives lived like hippies? From Alaska to Central America the Native Americans were some of the most savage people in history.

Would indians have been equally biased,what would have been so wrong about their position on the matter,they showed kindness,and friendship to the first people from a foreign country,and for that they were slaughtered,or rounded up like cattle and herded to another part of the country,only to have the same thing happen there,when the white man could not be satisfied with what he had already taken.

I've never once said the Brits treated the Indians with tender loving kindness. Everybody has been at war with England at some point. Blame the queen, not me.

**nell67** · 07-09-2008, 08:07 PM

[quote=Sam Reeves;59541]I suppose next you'll be telling me that these men who brutally trained for war for most of their lives lived like hippies?

LOL, thats why they sat around the camp fire smokin' the peacepipe.

**Sam Reeves** · 07-09-2008, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by crashdive123

The emotional response that you evoke from people is due to your one sided (as you have proudly proclaimed, bigotted view of things). Now if you want to talk about feelings you can. You talk about criminals in Atlanta all looking the same. When you do, you are wrong - they don't all look the same, but you do expose something else. Not only are you a bigot, you are a racist. Now is that based on FACTS or FEELINGS?

Based on fact. A well known fact.

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/GA_incrates2001.html

How do you feel about that or a government document racist?

**Sam Reeves** · 07-09-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by nell67

LOL, thats why that sat around the camp fire smokin' the peacepipe.

They usually did a smoke a peace pipe between wars.

**crashdive123** · 07-09-2008, 08:18 PM

Well at least you didn't link to another prison penpal promotional site. So let me ask you....is everything you do, or think about regarding events outside your home based race?

**nell67** · 07-09-2008, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sam Reeves

They usually did a smoke a peace pipe between wars.

FIANLLY,you got something partly right......

**nell67** · 07-09-2008, 08:26 PM

Crash,his true colors are showing,and it's not red,white,and blue,it's all in shades of black and white.

**Sam Reeves** · 07-09-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by crashdive123

Well at least you didn't link to another prison penpal promotional site. So let me ask you....is everything you do, or think about regarding events outside your home based race?

Nope. There is more to life than worry about what other people are doing. I just choose to live away from urban areas for obvious reasons.