Group Survival 101.

[owl_girl]

Thanks owl-girl and rim.I was getting a little carried away.This certainly isn't about combat.(btw-I've never done that.)Substitute survival training for combat training.After all we aren't out to harm anyone unnecessarily. We just want to be left alone to practice our survival skills until this TSHTF situation plays itself out and everything gets back to normal.I still think the training is necessary to convince other groups,who may be less prepared than ourselves,that they had better leave us alone.

That’s reasonable enough

[trax]

That’s reasonable enough

It is indeed. I find the different twists that the possible scenario takes interesting, none of us know what might really be until it happens, and...the level of preparedness and "survival thinking" if I may, seems pretty good over all to me.

[nell67]

A newbies perspective:
Make fvr and wareagle69 squad leaders in charge of patrols, defensive perimeters,and combat training.
sarge47 will be in charge of supplies,procurement and the coffee pot.
vw will the XO,with the additional duties of operations and intelligence.
Drum roll please.After much agonizing thought,I nominate nell67 as CO.She's old enough not to be stupid and young enough not to suffer from indecision.Plus if she can manage all those pimply faced kids at the ff restuarant,then she can surely manage us.
If you need me I'll be helping fvr chop wood.Maybe he'll share some of that Crown Royal his pictured with in his profile.lol

LOL! lumpy,I feel my bones creaking already!Feel better knowing you are right up there along with me HAHAHA!

[trax]

So, if we stay with the scenario as RiM has laid it out, he and his are heading for a lake tomorrow, are we..the group, travelling with them? That's if I'm still following all this correctly....

[owl_girl]

So, if we stay with the scenario as RiM has laid it out, he and his are heading for a lake tomorrow, are we..the group, travelling with them? That's if I'm still following all this correctly....

Doesn’t sound like it from what volwest said.

[owl_girl]

So what are your plans volwest?

[trax]

RiM described the "unfriendlies" as "mildly armed" I don't know them but if anyone thinks I'm only mildly armed when I have a hunting rifle is making a mistake that is potentially fatal.

owl_girl said our mission is to survive. I agree absolutely, whatever that takes.

If I've been hunting out there for two days, I already know the location of the lake that RiM is heading for, Marscroft hasn't weighed in lately but I'm sure he would too. Scouting is only part of hunting. Animals go to water. In case we as a group decide to not join RiM and group, but head for the lake at a future date.

Sentry/Lrrp duties....blend in perfectly with the same skill set as one uses hunting. My preference would be sentry duties from say...11 pm to 5 am, can hunt before and after and catch some sleep midday.

And Sarge...yeah that coffee's improving, keep up the good work

[wareagle69]

first off to owl girl, even in combat situations we have support units ppl who can feed us, which you have already shown me an aptitude for wild edibles and also as a healer so rest easy youngster that we will support you and protect you.

rim, for some reason you always seem to ruffle my feathers don't know why yet, but contrary to your post you would not be able to observe our base camp w/o being detected yourself, i am not saying this out of ego i am saying this out of fact, as it was my job for six years.

as for fvr you are always welcome at my fire, i will need to rely on your wisdom at council.

[FVR]

Here is the story.

RiM is sitting outside our camp for 30 plus minutes deciding if he wants to come in.

He sees Sarge, Owl Girl, Nell, does not see Trax or any hunters. He sees me back off cutting wood.

He does not see WE who while out on patrol, heard vehicles. He rendezvous with Lumpy (two Rangers). Lumpy is working his way back from whence RiM came. WE has his cross hairs on RiM.

RiM makes his move. He is no dummy, he holsters his pistol, slings his rifle. But, the pistol thong is not on, and he carries his rifle muzzle down, on back, easy to pull around and fire. WE picks this up.

WE has been radioing VW. VW is aware that RiM us coming in. He shouts, Hello the camp. As any woodsman knows, if you don't, you get shot. Even in the 21'st century.

First person to meet RiM is Sarge, with a pot of coffee and two cups. He gives RiM a hot cup of coffee, thus tieing up his one hand. VW is pissed, WE still has the crosshairs on RiM, but needs to re position for any other visitors. The woodcutter has dis., Rim has noticed this. WE can not get the woodcutter on the radio, WE is really mad, VW is getting their.

WE calls Lumpy, Lumpy throws his scope on the woodcutter, he's gone, well, he has a rifle pointed at RiM. He is located behind the woodpile. Lumpy radio's WE, WE radio's VW. VW's back is covered. WE knowing this fades off and re positions.

VW comes out and he and RiM speak. RiM has noticed that there are a few deer hanging, but no hunters. The woodcutter is gone. He asks VW, and is informed that the woodcutter has him in his crosshairs.

They talk.

What do they talk about? I don't know as my radio is dead.

RiM gets up and leaves. When he passes the perimeter, the woodcutter backs off and re positions on the other side of camp about 60 yards out. Why, because RiM knows the other position.

WE picks up RiM when he works his way back to the atv.

Where is Lumpy?


VW calls Sarge and the woodcutter to his shelter where he advises both of them of his concerns. WHY THE HELL WERE THEY ABLE TO SEE OUR FIRE!

Sarge and the woodcutter leave. Sarge spreads out the coals more, the woodcutter makes damn sure all the bark is off the wood and that it is dry, no green.

[FVR]

Later that night, I work my way over to the wood pile. WE sneaks out and says "what's wrong with your radio" I reply it's dead.

Oh.

However, we followed pre set proceedures for visitors coming into camp.

WE takes a shot of Royal and dissapears. Again.

WTF is Lumpy?

[FVR]

What is happening here is just what would happen for real.

VW and RiM's pers. conflicts.

The fear of being over powered.

The fear of having to do something that you don't think you can do.

Questioning authority.


When RiM leaves, he knows: There is a woodcutter with a gun. Must be a hunter as they have deer. There are a few woman. Sarge makes good coffee.

What he does not know, WTF is WE and Lumpy and if they even exist.

[FVR]

What, you mean writing this book.

[wareagle69]

six yrs army ranger
trained as a sniper/lrrp and as a medic.
rode bulls for yrs(not a valuable skill but i got balls)
professional record as a cage fighter 6-1-0
wild edibles are my passion.

weapons
got a shotgun a rifle and a four wheel drive cause a country boy can survive
hey that's catchy someone should write a song.
9mm
sks
ak47
30-06
300 weatherby magnum
.45
all in storage where my new government can't see it but still legal in my old country.
whitetail II compound bow.
several good hunting knives

well versed in muay Thai, brazilian ju jitsu and knife fighting.

and a wife who can handle her own.(plus she's easy on the eyes which keeps me in a good mood and don't have to worry about snuggling w/ trax) oh yeah i also have norm.

[wareagle69]

hey fvr did i miss something you said two rangers in the woods?

[FVR]

Isn't Lumpy a Ranger?

[wareagle69]

was that in a post somewhere,also question for the dungeon master here but what time of year is it here.

[FVR]

My bust, he's Airborne.


High-Speed, Low-Drag

[wareagle69]

saw that at least he made it thru my jump school at benning so he has chewed that same red dirt as you and i.

[owl_girl]

We do have to talk about this a little bit.

"i can't take a human life" sounds strange because from a logical point of view...saying i can't means that one tried. If it is not the case, "i can't" does not fit the sensation you are referring to. We cannot here unroll the red carpet of humanistic views, and even though it is mentioned here and there we cannot talk about religious beliefs either. So what are we left with ?

My personal views on this are of little interest to your "getting nervous".
So let's look at it pragmatically. If someone wraps their hands around your neck, and starts squeezing, what do you think is going to happen ?
You will not be thinking about the pros and cons of killing someone, your rationalization, ideas about life or moral standards will be far from your realm of responses available to you at this time.

You understand that we are here entertaining dramatic scenarios, where we as a group would be in a situation that does not allow for doubts.
I do not want to burst your bubble here...but you have already taken human life by getting to that ovule first...millions of possible others were denied life for your survival journey started when you swam up that egg. I know it sounds corny and somewhat far fetched...but think about it.
I am not even going to talk about our role in the death of many more through our political, economical, moral, religious, and who knows what ways. Directly or indirectly, killing is what keeps us alive.

You believe human life is above all other creature...i don't.

Would you be in the way ?
That is a question for you to answer.

Combat training is silly...not everyone is a warrior. If you are not, good, at least you know your place, but killing has nothing to do with being a warrior or trained for it. You can tomorrow get in your car, and kill a family of 4 while going to pick up ice cream. I know, it sucks to realize that killing is around the corner everyday. But all of this negates this "i can't take a human life" statement.

We can talk more about that if you want...

Ok fine I’ll say I won’t purposefully take a humane life if that makes more sense. If someone were strangling me I wouldn’t try to kill him, I’d try to get away and if he died it would be an accident and not a conscious choice. If I were thinking clearly I would not make the discussion to kill. If someone’s pointing a gun at someone I can step between them and take the bullet myself or try to distract them in some way or use pepper spry something like that but I’m not going to try to kill them. I’m ok with talking about it if you have anything else you want to say or questions you want to ask.

[Fog_Harbor]

I expect Mad Max to roll by this forum any minute now....