Level Three Preparedness - Security

**Canadian-guerilla** · 07-03-2008, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Vika

It is my belief that in every possible future scenario, your very best security preparation is to be as invisible as possible.

this has always been my thinking/plan from the get-go if/when TSHTF
out of sight, out of mind

Originally Posted by Ole WV Coot

Well It will take one hell of a big gang to overpower my home.

if/when TSHTF for whatever reason, and severe food shortages have hit north america four weeks ago
if a gang/mob thinks someone has a good supply of food inside their house
they may take the time and effort to try and crack the defenses (if any)
and may also have the mentality that if they (mob) can't have the supplies inside, then no one gets them, including the homeowner
does the homeowner have enough guns/people inside to cover the house 360'
if this mob storms the house and/or throws a firebomb threw 2 or more windows ?

it has always baffled me as to why (city)people would want to entrench themselves inside a house
while the bad guys have a free run outside and around said house looking for weaknesses
and while rural homes may have more " open space " for defensive purposes
the thinking is still the same
hungry city folk may think country folk have extra food put away

defense thru mobility

**Ole WV Coot** · 07-03-2008, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Ole WV Coot View Post
Well It will take one hell of a big gang to overpower my home.
if/when TSHTF for whatever reason, and severe food shortages have hit north america four weeks ago
if a gang/mob thinks someone has a good supply of food inside their house
they may take the time and effort to try and crack the defenses (if any)
and may also have the mentality that if they (mob) can't have the supplies inside, then no one gets them, including the homeowner
does the homeowner have enough guns/people inside to cover the house 360'
if this mob storms the house and/or throws a firebomb threw 2 or more windows ?

it has always baffled me as to why (city)people would want to entrench themselves inside a house
while the bad guys have a free run outside and around said house looking for weaknesses
and while rural homes may have more " open space " for defensive purposes
the thinking is still the same
hungry city folk may think country folk have extra food put away

Between me and my neighbors it would take a long fuse and a 300yd arm to throw something close to any house. We don't have any men without combat experience and I wouldn't mention anything about food or defenses. It would take a trained, organized, determined company to manage. Houses are brick metal roofs and cute little doggies. Mob mentality as such wouldn't organize and have an organized plan. A mob might make a first rush, even two but would quickly fall apart and go onto easier targets. We are very aware now of anyone that don't belong. One way in and out by road with 300 plus acres behind, 4 miles to the closest dirt road if they could find it. Nope, I think we could hold out a long long time. Each home has at least 2 ATVs and a 4X4 plus "goodies" that let us sleep at night.

**Canadian-guerilla** · 07-03-2008, 12:19 PM

but there's a big difference between you and your neighbours
who may be aware of a possible SHTF coming

and a tv watching " bread & circuses " homeowner
who may not even care about national/world current evernts

if someone thinks everything is hunky-dory, why bother planning for the future ?

**ryaninmichigan** · 07-03-2008, 12:51 PM

I agree most mobs will lack any amount of organization to attack someone dug in with a plan. Both my home and cabin are easily defendable. I would of course prefer the cabin, but could defend either. The thing about the cabin is first you would need to know it there to begin with. I have never had a visitor come up with me that I did not have to meet in town and have them follow me out. Mobs will not likely attack such a place. I would be more afraid of a hand full of trained men than I would an angry mob. I can see a mob coming. 4 trained, well armed guys with a plan. Not so much.

**Ole WV Coot** · 07-03-2008, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan

I agree most mobs will lack any amount of organization to attack someone dug in with a plan. Both my home and cabin are easily defendable. I would of course prefer the cabin, but could defend either. The thing about the cabin is first you would need to know it there to begin with. I have never had a visitor come up with me that I did not have to meet in town and have them follow me out. Mobs will not likely attack such a place. I would be more afraid of a hand full of trained men than I would an angry mob. I can see a mob coming. 4 trained, well armed guys with a plan. Not so much.

I completely agree with you. I don't plan, nor do my neighbors and families that have known each other well over 30yrs of spelling out much of anything about each other. If you have good men that will back each other up and know what they are doing it works for us. Just an example, you can go to any carryout in my area or grocery and ask where I live or anything about me and you will get the "I never heard of him, he don't live around here" answer followed by a call to my home with your name if you give it, and you will be asked, type of vehicle, how many with you and what you want. A well trained squad might get to a house, but remember we have people that learned in the jungle and played in the sand. Oldest I would be afraid of played in the snow in Korea and still loves his M-1.

**Rick** · 07-03-2008, 06:05 PM

First, you have to believe the SHTF. I don't. You might have to dig in for any number of reasons such as winter blizzard or summer heat wave but gloom and doom are the last things I'm worried about.

**Ole WV Coot** · 07-04-2008, 10:07 AM

It isn't all gloom and doom for us it's the old forgotten neighbor helping neighbor idea that has changed to the ME attitude. Anything and I mean anything that someone needs help with he's got it. They usually don't have to ask. My closest neighbor would call me then 911 if her husband was working out of town. We stay to ourselves but we are always available. I am retired but I will work for free, and if someone that doesn't know me well offers to pay I just tell them they can't afford me.

**Rick** · 07-04-2008, 02:35 PM

I'm in the same camp you are, Coot. I just meant I don't think there will be organized gangs of mongrels roaming the streets under the direction of some degenerate, well organized leader. That's made for TV stuff. Tornadoes and other storms bring out neighbor helping neighbor and that's what it will be most of the time. There will be idiots but I doubt they survive for very long.

**trax** · 07-08-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

I'm in the same camp you are, Coot.

Now you've got something to worry about, Rick's in your camp

**Rick** · 07-08-2008, 03:02 PM

My and Coot. We're just like this, I tell ya! Yea! We are!

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**rebel** · 07-09-2008, 09:13 AM

Tactically, always have a prepared secondary position.

A neighborhood could also construct road blocks. Such as, trees across the road. The thieves would be walking in and not driving. Channel your prey with both concealed and unconcealed devises. Then have fun as they try to leave.