Obscure Gun Facts

[canid]

it is not, and was never a .410 guage beo, .410 is a bore.

[canid]

the specifications for the bore are comparable with .45 colt, but i think that was accidental, though there are .45 pistols which can fire .410 shells.

[Beo]

The .410 was originally a rifle caliber, the .444 Marlin.

On the Uzi I am stummped other than the distinct profile and the grip mounted saftey. Hmmmm you stumped me on this Rick, thinking thinking thinking.

[Beo]

The genesis of the .410 does not coincide with the heyday of shotgun design, which occurred from circa 1850 to 1870. It wasn't until about 1900 that the cartridge is making its appearance in catalogs and the proof houses of England. No one today knows who invented it. There is a good amount of speculation that the .410 was originally a rifle caliber, the .444 Marlin. This is probably so, due to the rather recent discovery of older "rook rifles" that were originally rifles that were converted to shotgun use.

[canid]

nice background beo. thanks.

[Beo]

What was the first lever action rifle?

[Rick]

Nope. Not on the Uzi. Keep guessing.

You got me on the .410. You are right, of course. Here's a bit more detail on it.

"In Europe it is sometimes called the 12mm, which is an inaccurate designation as a .410 bore has an actual diameter of approximately 10.4mm by metric measure. If the .410 had been named in the traditional fashion, by the number of lead balls .41 inch in diameter needed to make one pound, it would be about a 67-68 gauge. Many years ago it was also called the 36 gauge..."

Source: http://www.chuckhawks.com/410bore.htm

[Beo]

Crap I cant find anything on the uzi grip!!!

[Beo]

Is it because it allows the barrel to be moved far back into the receiver and the magazine to be housed in the pistol grip, allowing for a heavier, slower-firing bolt in a shorter, better-balanced weapon.

[Rick]

Well, all that is certainly true. But the reason he placed the magazine inside the grip was to make it easier to load in the dark. The rest just followed because of that.

[Rick]

Someone else can take over if they choose. That's my run of questions. I'll have to make up some more.

[Beo]

damn so simply and genius.

[Beo]

What was the first lever action rifle?

[Rick]

Just in case you're playing a word game...The Spencer was the first LEVER action rifle. The Henry used the bolt.

[Beo]

You got it.
The first significant lever-action design was the Spencer repeating rifle, a magazine-fed lever-operated breech-loading rifle designed by Christopher Spencer in 1860. It was fed from a removable seven-round tube magazine, enabling the rounds to be fired one after another, and which, when emptied, could be exchanged for another. Over 20,000 were made, and it was adopted by the United States and used during the American Civil War, marking the first adoption of a removable-magazine-fed infantry-and-cavalry rifle by any country.

Now What was the first bayonet?

[Beo]

Come on people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol...
Try this on: who invented the first gun?

[canid]

you make it sound like a simple question.

[Beo]

The evolution of the bayonet can be traced to an accident. In the mid-17th century irregular military conflicts of rural France, the peasants of the Southern French town of Bayonne, who were Basques, having run out of powder and shot, rammed their long-bladed hunting knives into the muzzles of their primitive muskets to fashion impromptu spears and, by necessity, created a secondary weapon that was to influence Western European infantry tactics well into the early 20th century. The weapon was introduced into the French army by General Jean Martinet.

[Beo]

Naw I'm a huge history buff on ancient military and firearms and general warfare, from the greeks and romans on up.
My favorite is the Templar Knights and then the French & indian War.

[Beo]

While Americans, Brits, and French like to claim they made the first firearms the didn't they just improved on the designs,
The Chinese had the first handguns, fire-spears and handcannons, technically known as guns with a canon lock. Da Vinci designed an "Automatic Igniting Device for Firearms", a more sophisticated kind of matchlock. Employing the earlier Tang Dynasty era discovery of high-nitrate gunpowder, the earliest developments of the gun barrel and the projectile-fire cannon were found in Song Dynasty China. The first art depiction of the Chinese 'fire-lance' (a combination of a temporary-fire flamethrower and gun) was from a Buddhist mural painting of Dunhuang, dated circa 950 AD. These 'fire-lances' were widespread in use by the early 12th century, featuring hollowed bamboo poles as tubes to fire sand particles (to blind and choke), lead pellets, bits of sharp metal and pottery shards, and finally large gunpowder-propelled arrows. Eventually, perishable bamboo was replaced with hollow tubes of cast-iron, and so too did the terminology of this new weapon change, from 'fire-spear' ('huo qiang') to 'fire-tube' ('huo tong'). This ancestor to the gun was dually complimented by the ancestor to the cannon, what the Chinese referred since the 13th century as the 'multiple bullets magazine erupter' ('bai zu lian zhu pao'), a tube of bronze or cast-iron that was filled with about 100 lead balls. The Chinese also discovered the explosive potential of packing hollowed cannonball shells with gunpowder. Written later around 1350 in the Huo Long Jing of Jiao Yu, this manuscript recorded an earlier Song-era cast iron cannon known as the 'flying-cloud thunderclap eruptor'."