America's time is past.... look elsewhere

**Sam Reeves** · 06-11-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

First, they weren't Iraqi then you post a link that says they were Iraqi and post a link supporting your own argument against yourself. I'm going to stay out of this and see which one of you win.

I never said that they were not in Iraq. What I said was that Desert Shield was a defense of Saudi Arabia. Desert Strom was an assault on Iraq's troops. I also said that Iraq never used WMDs on their people. They used them on Kurds in Iraq. All of the above is true.

**Sam Reeves** · 06-11-2008, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Beowulf65

Sam,
Desert Shield and Storm were not two different events, Operation Desert Shield was when US troops were moved into Saudi Arabia on August 7, 1990. This "wholly defensive" doctrine was to be quickly abandoned. On August 8, Iraq declared parts of Kuwait to be extensions of the Iraqi province of Basra and the rest to be the 19th province of Iraq.
Shortly after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait,President Bush started to deploy US Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Coast Guard units to Saudi Arabia (Operation Desert Shield), while at the same time urging other countries to send their own forces to the scene. UN coalition-building efforts were so successful that by the time the fighting (Operation Desert Storm) began on January 16, 1991, twelve countries had sent naval forces, joining the regional states of Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf states, as well as the huge array of the US Navy, which deployed six aircraft-carrier battle groups; eight countries had sent ground forces, joining the regional troops of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates, as well as the seventeen heavy and six light brigades of the US Army and nine Marine regiments, with their large support and service forces; and four countries had sent combat aircraft, joining the local air forces of Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, as well as the US Air Force, US Navy, and U.S. Marine aviation, for a grand total of 2,430 fixed-wing aircraft.
It went from being called Desert Shield to Desert Storm when we invaded them, nothing changed except the name. This knowledge comes from being there not listening to CNN and Wolfblitzer.

I was probably too young to give a damn about CNN during the war. I get info from other vets.

**Sam Reeves** · 06-11-2008, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by trax

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Does the emperor of Freetraxistan disapprove of something I said?

**nell67** · 06-11-2008, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by remy

To be angry, is to refuse to listen, to pay attention, to change, to adapt, to do, to accept, to tolerate, to be...
It is the systematic refusal of anything that does not align with an idea, a belief.
To be angry at, is to refuse to.

mmm,very good description of my teenaged son....

**Rick** · 06-11-2008, 04:27 PM

Sam - The Kurds are Iraqi. They live in Iraq. It's no different than Sioux or Floridians. They're still Americans. Sadam authorized the use of chemical weapons on his own people.

**Beo** · 06-11-2008, 04:27 PM

Sam don't let these guys get to you. I understand what your saying and like the conversation, and you are right about the WMDs, if I came off upset I'm not by a long shot. Nice to have another point of view and in the end we are not that far off.

**Sam Reeves** · 06-11-2008, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by trax

Maybe Ken will referree for him. Ken, you up for that?

I can't afford Ken.

**Sam Reeves** · 06-11-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

Sam - The Kurds are Iraqi. They live in Iraq. It's no different than Sioux or Floridians. They're still Americans. Sadam authorized the use of chemical weapons on his own people.

You are comparing American entitlement rights with a Middle Eastern Islamic government. Major logical fallacy.

They were still wanting to fight and I reckon after the Iranian war Saddam was fed up with them.

**Sam Reeves** · 06-11-2008, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Beowulf65

Sam don't let these guys get to you. I understand what your saying and like the conversation, and you are right about the WMDs, if I came off upset I'm not by a long shot. Nice to have another point of view and in the end we are not that far off.

Naw, it's just the internet. I don't get upset except for when some jerk keeps outbidding me on Ebay.

Granted, I wasn't in Iraq but I doubt anybody here was in Iraq when he gassed the Kurds, either.

I hope I haven't came across as an ***. I apologize if I have upset somebody.

**Beo** · 06-11-2008, 04:46 PM

I don't think you offended anyone.

**Sam Reeves** · 06-11-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Beowulf65

I don't think you offended anyone.

Good. I'm mostly just being playful and I do enjoy different points of view. But right now I'm late for car school.

**trax** · 06-11-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Sam Reeves

Does the emperor of Freetraxistan disapprove of something I said?

Heck no Sam, you can go ahead and say whatever you want, whenever you want. I, in turn, will give it due consideration, as I will with anything I read here.

**chiggersngrits** · 06-11-2008, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by remy

To be angry, is to refuse to listen, to pay attention, to change, to adapt, to do, to accept, to tolerate, to be...
It is the systematic refusal of anything that does not align with an idea, a belief.
To be angry at, is to refuse to.

thanks remy.

**chiggersngrits** · 06-11-2008, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by hopeak

I think anger comes from constipation, and some people need to spend more time hiking and getting more fiber. Old sourdough saying,"He who takes BIG dump, has lightened up"..

well if anger = constipation then i guess joy = the trots. if so i couldn't have been happier for about 4 days last week.