I can't take this crap anymore

**DEET** · 08-23-2007, 01:59 AM

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Okay here's the deal. One of my favorite hobbies (besides trying to kill myself in the woods of course

) is knife throwing. Well I ordered a set of colt throwing knives, you know colt the great american gun and knife manufacturer, and received them via the big brown truck today. I open the box all raring to go chuck my new knives and when I pull them out of the sheath there it is stamped right above the hilt on the blade .........CHINA.

You've got to be kidding me, china?! What's next my buck knives are going to be made in korea? Well they are boxed up and ready for the big brown truck to come get them tomorrow. I'm not about to wing an inferior blade at god knows what speed at a big peice of oak, that has emergency room visit written all over it. I swear I can't believe that they would put the Colt name on a chinese blade.
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On a happier note anyone else here into knife throwing?

**DEET** · 08-23-2007, 02:04 AM

sorry I put this in the wrong forum, it needs to be in the general chat forum since it has nothing to do with survival, anyone know how to move it?

**SOE digital** · 08-23-2007, 03:30 AM

American made things are much crapper than Chinese made

**DEET** · 08-23-2007, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by SOE digital

American made things are much crapper than Chinese made

Obviously you don't get the Harbor Freight catalog

**Sarge47** · 08-23-2007, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by DEET

START RANT
Okay here's the deal. One of my favorite hobbies (besides trying to kill myself in the woods of course

) is knife throwing. Well I ordered a set of colt throwing knives, you know colt the great american gun and knife manufacturer, and received them via the big brown truck today. I open the box all raring to go chuck my new knives and when I pull them out of the sheath there it is stamped right above the hilt on the blade .........CHINA.

You've got to be kidding me, china?! What's next my buck knives are going to be made in korea? Well they are boxed up and ready for the big brown truck to come get them tomorrow. I'm not about to wing an inferior blade at god knows what speed at a big peice of oak, that has emergency room visit written all over it. I swear I can't believe that they would put the Colt name on a chinese blade.
END RANT

On a happier note anyone else here into knife throwing?

Yeah, this could have went under one of the threads on knives, but what's done is done. I just sent a Colt Jungle Commander back to AG Russel for a refund because the steel, 420, was too soft. However a lot of Ka-bars are made in China. Ontario Knives has some throwing blades which are cool. I used to get into throwing knives back when I thought I was going to Alaska, but not anymore.

**Chris** · 08-23-2007, 10:46 AM

Many knives are made in china, and remember, the chinese have been making swords & knives for about 4 thousand years, they actually have more experience in doing so than more or less any other culture.

**Sarge47** · 08-23-2007, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by DEET

START RANT
Okay here's the deal. One of my favorite hobbies (besides trying to kill myself in the woods of course

) is knife throwing. Well I ordered a set of colt throwing knives, you know colt the great american gun and knife manufacturer, and received them via the big brown truck today. I open the box all raring to go chuck my new knives and when I pull them out of the sheath there it is stamped right above the hilt on the blade .........CHINA.

You've got to be kidding me, china?! What's next my buck knives are going to be made in korea? Well they are boxed up and ready for the big brown truck to come get them tomorrow. I'm not about to wing an inferior blade at god knows what speed at a big peice of oak, that has emergency room visit written all over it. I swear I can't believe that they would put the Colt name on a chinese blade.
END RANT

On a happier note anyone else here into knife throwing?

Almost forgot, My "Colt" blade was actually manufactured by the company "United Cutlery" who has since filed chapter 11 bankruptcy, and has been bought by somebody else. A lot of these "Firearm Brand Names" are actually licensed by other knife companies. You can find "Winchester" blades on the cheap at Wal-mart, for example.

**smokelessfire** · 08-23-2007, 12:07 PM

some Buck knives actually ARE made in china now. not all, but some are.

**smokelessfire** · 08-23-2007, 12:10 PM

sorry bud, that culture died out centuries ago, now they just make cheap crap, from all the scrap metal they recieve on the cheap from the good ole usa, you know such metal as from old pie plates and things. not every chinese man is a fount of ancient wisdom, grasshoppa!

**Sarge47** · 08-23-2007, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by smokelessfire

some Buck knives actually ARE made in china now. not all, but some are.

My Ka-bar Bull Dozier says "Taiwan" on the blade, and I love it!

**owl_girl** · 08-23-2007, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by smokelessfire

sorry bud, that culture died out centuries ago, now they just make cheap crap, from all the scrap metal they recieve on the cheap from the good ole usa, you know such metal as from old pie plates and things. not every chinese man is a fount of ancient wisdom, grasshoppa!

The Chinese people can make good knives and swords, you cant say an entire culture forgot how to make blades o.O A lot of companies make more money by selling cheep produces like Wal-Mart but if you do some digging around and some research I’m sure you’ll find some good Chinese blades.

**owl_girl** · 08-23-2007, 12:57 PM

I think the Chinese just sell us cheep blades for the same reason the French sells us water…because we’ll pay for that stuff lol

**Chris** · 08-23-2007, 02:18 PM

Do you think the manufacturing processes are different in China then here? Same metal, same tooling machines, just different operators, we're not talking about hand made knives.

The knife designers are here in the US, and they oversee the manufacturing in China, or Taiwain, or wherever. Its just that labor and materials cost so much less in China.

If you were expecting high carbon steel and got 440 stainless instead thats one thing, but usually the type of metal is clearly labeled by the retailer. Plus, stainless is probably going to be better for outdoor use, you aren't going to be able to keep your knife oiled in a survival situation, and it will get wet.

One of my other businesses is knife retailing, and I did a lot of business with United Cutlery. The reason they went bankrupt by the way has to do with inventory glut, not product quality, they actually produce higher quality than most of the other manufacturers. They just got greedy and ended up upside down on their inventory, owing the bank big time. I can take a knife from them made in China or Taiwain and compare it with one of their knives made in the US (UC actually sourced all over), there is no difference.

The real crap out there tends to come from India & Pakistan, especially Pakistan. Chinese can vary of course too depending on who originally designed the blade and what type of quality controls the US based company puts into it, but being made in China, atleast as far as knives go, doesn't automatically mean it is of lower quality.

**owl_girl** · 08-23-2007, 02:47 PM

Chris makes sense

**trax** · 08-23-2007, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by owl_girl

I think the Chinese just sell us cheep blades for the same reason the French sells us water…because we’ll pay for that stuff lol

Everyone, believe this --the entire world, wants a chunk of the American marketplace, the most "consuming" society in the history of the known universe. And, of course, I don't care where the product comes from, you usually get what you pay for. Caveat emptor (buyer beware) is as true now as it ever was, if not even more so.

**FVR** · 08-23-2007, 05:05 PM

Wow, a fellow knife thrower. Thought I was the only one here who threw pointy objects.

I prefer throwing bowie style knives and hawks. The china made knives do not last. They bend.

American made throwing knives are by far the best.

Deet, have you been to www.throwzini.com?

Check it out.

By the way, foreign metal is diff. than American made metals. China, Korea, and the like use alot of scrap metal, this causes far inferior metal.

**FVR** · 08-23-2007, 05:21 PM

Back.

Most knives we throw are pretty pricy. You get what you pay for, or in my case, trade for.

Good set of competition throwing knives will run you close to $300 bucks. Usually they can be thrown by the handle and by the blade for 1/2, full, 1.5, 2, and many more turns.

Most competitions you will need 5 knives, so many will sell you 4 and throw in the 5th one at no charge.

I did go out and purchase 5 "cheaper" bowies, and was not that happy with them. Matter of fact, I gave them away. Just can't stand crap.

Check out my homepage.

Here is an old article for ya.

http://www.danwashburn.com/throwing.html

**Sarge47** · 08-23-2007, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Chris

Do you think the manufacturing processes are different in China then here? Same metal, same tooling machines, just different operators, we're not talking about hand made knives.

The knife designers are here in the US, and they oversee the manufacturing in China, or Taiwain, or wherever. Its just that labor and materials cost so much less in China.

If you were expecting high carbon steel and got 440 stainless instead thats one thing, but usually the type of metal is clearly labeled by the retailer. Plus, stainless is probably going to be better for outdoor use, you aren't going to be able to keep your knife oiled in a survival situation, and it will get wet.

One of my other businesses is knife retailing, and I did a lot of business with United Cutlery. The reason they went bankrupt by the way has to do with inventory glut, not product quality, they actually produce higher quality than most of the other manufacturers. They just got greedy and ended up upside down on their inventory, owing the bank big time. I can take a knife from them made in China or Taiwain and compare it with one of their knives made in the US (UC actually sourced all over), there is no difference.

The real crap out there tends to come from India & Pakistan, especially Pakistan. Chinese can vary of course too depending on who originally designed the blade and what type of quality controls the US based company puts into it, but being made in China, atleast as far as knives go, doesn't automatically mean it is of lower quality.

I find your bit about United Cutlery interesting, However the "Colt Jungle Commander" wasn't, in my opinion, made from very hard steel. Just one use and I had a couple of small nicks on the blade. (Think I mighta hit a blade of grass or sumptin'

) All that to the side, I know Ka-bar's quality and their knives are made in China!, or some of them anyway. And Wal-Mart sells the same Buck Knives other places carry, unless Buck sells 2nds, do you know if they do or not Chris?