I don't know what you're saying here. I love modern technology. I'm all for what solar panels and electricity.Originally Posted by Alpine_Sapper
I don't know what you're saying here. I love modern technology. I'm all for what solar panels and electricity.
Agreed. That was why I started it with "Just to further your point..."
I was talking about the "off-the grid, don't need no stinking modern technology" types of folks. but a lot of them want solar panels and generators. Hmmm...
A more direct to the point response to them would probably be "WTF are you doing using a computer to access the internet then?" But my feelings are that if you ( and this isn't *you*, but a general forum population of neo-luddites "you" ) are so fed up with technology and society and the social workings of todays society, LEAVE, with a loin cloth and a stick. no firearms. Gunpowder is a technology that man has invented, and it came from *gasp* the *CHINESE*!!! Oh NOES! Blades are a technology...how long did it take us to mine metal and learn to make it into something useful? Oops, no snare wires, gotta use vines. No 550 cord. No firestarters...Hope you practiced the bow drill... Anyway, I was just answering your question and it turned into a rant on stupid people. Sorry.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Dogs are not my whole life, but they make my life whole.
Imagine the day back in prehistory when the bow and arrow was invented. I wonder if all the other people around debated using it? Even the most primative of tools were at one-time cutting edge modern technology. Imagine the converstation....
Caveman 1: Have you seen that new small spear flinging contraption Bill invented?
Caveman 2: yah, that thing is sweet, I've gotta make me one.
Caveman 1: Not me man, I like to get real close to the things I kill and eat, I love the feel of jabbing a spear right into a Mammoth's arse!
Caveman 2: Well, I have a wife and kid to think about, I think this new technology is safer then stickin' 'em in the arse.
Cavemen 1: Well thats the difference between you and me pal. I am a Neo-Luddite and I don't use these modern things.
Caveman 2: Uh, ok. I'll make sure they carve that into your tombstone.
In a real Survival situation using the most efficent technology you can get your hands on only makes sense.
Last edited by DOGMAN; 06-02-2008 at 03:16 AM.
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"A bow huh? So how does this stupid thing work."
"Hold the wooden part and pull back on the cord."
"Okay."
"Now, let it go."
SMACK!
"NO! Let the cord end go."
"You and your new technology crap."
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My morning chuckle - thanks.
I use anything that is of utilitarian value anywhere I can, backwoods included.
"The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
Thus says the flamethrower guy...
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Dogs are not my whole life, but they make my life whole.
LOL. Well, when I first opened the thread I too thought "WTF are you doing using a computer" and "luddites." I'm guessing most people in the general populus aren't aware of what luddites are since it isn't an everyday term. Glad you brought in.
I haven't read the other posts so forgive me if I'm being redundant.
When I take people out to the bush I don't let them keep their cell phones on. They keep them off and in a sealed bag for emergency use only. Likewise there are no radios, MP3's etc allowed either. I thini it is important for them to have a break from life back home or the don't enter into the spirit of the adventure. Part of the reason they are out there is to get back to their 1.0 level programming and get to know who they are without the largely false identity they have surrounded themselves with in "normal life".
From a skills point of view I don't like it when people are out in the bush far beyond their personal capabilities dependant on some piece of modern technology for their critical survival needs. The GPS is a main offender here. Great piece of high tech but if you don't know how to navigate without it you can find yourself very lost. Mac
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My Grandfather was probably the best teachers I could have ever had for looking at everything, new or old and seeing what other things could it be used for other than what it was intended for. I can remember that old Coonass buying a couple of brand new trucks through out his life, bringing them home and making what I call these days a "Hillbilly Camper". I had friends that would laugh at us at times, but when I look back and think of just how rich he made us, not in monetary terms, but in simple pleasures, experiences and the imagination to improvise with everything no matter how old or how modern something is, I think I get the last laugh and even more so if a SHTF scenario comes when I think about some of those friends now and just shake my head knowing that most would be some of the first casualties.
A great many of you spend a lot of time preparing and preparing for something that may or may not happen and I do too, but a very important aspect of any survival scenario is also having the confidence to make do with what you have or create something from things around you. I think most of you know this already. This message board is a tool. I've seen many a pretty good idea posted here that I look at and think, "yep... that'd work and what if you took and did this or that?" Bad ideas sometimes lead to good ideas and those can lead to great ideas.
I'm sort of getting way off track here and rambling, but this thread just made me think of this.
Here's a pic of my grandfather and one of his homemade campers in the back left. What it doesn't show is the inside amenities which were legendary in our eyes.
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"The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
Tahyo, your grandfather drank Schlitz?!? Allllright! He's had to be a bright guy who set himself apart from the crowd.
“Learning is not compulsory. Neither is survival.”
W. Edwards Deming
"Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils."
General John Stark
He gets my vote. Any man that likes Schlitz is a friend of mine. Man, that and PBR is about all we ever drank in high school. Oh, and the occasional Falstaff.
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Golly, Rick.You and me. We're Friends?
“Learning is not compulsory. Neither is survival.”
W. Edwards Deming
"Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils."
General John Stark
You bet, Kenny. To the end....which might wind up being pretty darn soon if I don't get some lobster, ole buddy.
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Dang! Rick, please don't go killing yourself just 'cause you don't have any lobster!
Bye the way, only my Mom, my brothers, and my CLOSEST friends call me "Kenny."Can't. Too weak. No food. Wasting away to nothing. Maybe some Ribs, Coleslaw, or Barbeque would help........
Last edited by Ken; 06-02-2008 at 02:27 PM.
“Learning is not compulsory. Neither is survival.”
W. Edwards Deming
"Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils."
General John Stark
I drank Schlitz up until they stopped brewing it. Then I learned about crafted beer and drink that now, but make no mistake about it, if what I hear is true that they are suppose to start brewing it again... I'll surely have some for old times sake.
"The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
Other beer I grew up on. Falstaff and Jax.
"The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
Tahyo! THEY ARE BREWING IT AGAIN!!!! Yep, it's back on the market and it still tastes the same! I saw it in a local place about 2 years ago and still buy it regularly.
“Learning is not compulsory. Neither is survival.”
W. Edwards Deming
"Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils."
General John Stark
The modern equipment I use is better then the stuff it replaced. For instance, the modern sleeping bag I use now is "far and away" better then the downbag I used to use. I like the tarp made of modern material that I have better then the canvas tarp I used to carry. I do have a very old Swiss made single burner stove that I like and use because it uses the same fuel as the ATV's I use for work. It is nice only having to carry one type of fuel.
1. If it's in your kit and you don't know how to use it....It's useless.
2. If you can't reach your kit when you need it....Its useless.
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Schlitz and PBR.....fond memories. Went through a phase of Sclitz Dark on tap...yummmmm.
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