If You Thought $4 a Gallon Was Bad....

[Rick]

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...=SecMostMailed

[Sourdough]

O' It will turn out OK, So people can't afford $8.00 starbucks latte, and maybe cut back on the Dingle-berry and i-phone. We will be fine, only a minor inconvenience. Just borrow against your home if things get tight.

[LeaveThisLifeGuy]

that's it, i'm gettin on craigslist and gettin a bicycle!

[LeaveThisLifeGuy]

that's it, i'm gettin on craigslist and gettin a bicycle!

hey hopeak, i just clicked on your page. that looks absolutely freakin beautiful. how are the land prices up there in your end of the world?

[BraggSurvivor]

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...=SecMostMailed

I think the article is being a bit conservative. Like I said before, it will reach the $12-$14 a gallon in the not so distant future.

[Rick]

American or Canadian?

[Teotwawki]

Just one natural or man made disaster effecting the supply will double the price overnight.

I'll try to find the article but read today an analyst predicting $15 a gallon within a year.

Forget the driving aspect - this is going to effect the price of everything. How will people eat?

Imagine even $6.00 a gallon and a harsh winter! How are (most) people going to heat their homes?

[BraggSurvivor]

Well, as gas prices are rising about 5 cents a day now, I think we can
safely say hyper inflation is here.


So what gas price will make it cheaper for people to stay home and not
work? Struggling for a paycheck that won't match your expenses?



I want to point out to the WSF if the gas prices continue at this
rate there will be a point where there will be a RAPID and HUGE shift
of political economy in the USA.


In short importing goods will cost too much in terms of fuel cost. No
one to buy the stuff because of hyper inflation, only money for necessities.
Work will have to be closer to home since fuel costs too much.
There will be armies of poor and unemployed "stranded" by
high energy costs.

In short, the most important consideration will be energy costs,
nothing else will matter. So with non cheap fuel there will
will be a massive shift in the USA and the world.

I wonder if the realization will ever become widespread just how much of the pricing
pressure is due to the US military use of fuel.

How willing will Joe and Betty Sixpack be to continue to unquestionably support
the military industrial complex while suffering a significant reduction in standard
of living as a direct result of that support?

[rebel]

I doubt M & M Sixpack will have enough knowledge to know what the real facts are. They will be hungry and place the blame for their demise onto whomever the media picks as the bad guy.

[Ridge Wolf]

O' It will turn out OK, So people can't afford $8.00 starbucks latte, and maybe cut back on the Dingle-berry and i-phone. We will be fine, only a minor inconvenience. Just borrow against your home if things get tight.

I see America going back in time to an era far away. Where a person bought things after earning and saving the money for it instead of borrowing from the 'haves'. In this modern world of 'haves' and 'have nots', there is such a thing as indentured servitude. It is called by several names. Mortgage, Auto Loan, Refinance for home equity to name just a few. Indentured servitude is of course, illegal in the U.S. Well, I am not going to get pessimistic here. I'll just suffice it to say that society has come up with another name for indentured servitude and that is 'debt' which amounts to the same thing irregardless of the degree of it.

[BraggSurvivor]

Good point rebel.

[FVR]

The dems will start lobbying for a "gas incentive."

Mom and pop 6pack will whine and cry, blaming the US Gov. and the 60 cents worth of taxes on each gal. of gasoline.

Demand will go down, prices will go down, and then everything will be back to the same ol, same ol. People will forget about what happened like they forgot about 911, and the same mistakes will happen in the future.

[FVR]

Here is a pretty good article about gasoline.

http://www.citizen.org/cmep/energy_e...s.cfm?ID=11829

[rebel]

Here is a pretty good article about gasoline.

http://www.citizen.org/cmep/energy_e...s.cfm?ID=11829

Government regulation? No thank you!

[FVR]

I'm not saying that I agree with the last two paragraphs, the first couple give you a more in depth view of what is going on.

I find it interesting that you have the repos blaming the lack of refineries on the dems and epd.

The dems are blaming the problem on big oil.

Answers a few questions. I am also of the belief of less gov. regulation.

[rebel]

It's a point to consider.

Things are going to get interesting. In the next couple of years I bet the blame for fuel costs will change a dozen times.

[FVR]

I heard a petroleum guru the other day on the radio saying that expect in early 2009 that the gas prices will start to go down, then by 2010 it will be down below 70 dollars a drum.

Everybody has an opinion, and we are going to hear them all.

[BraggSurvivor]

Airlines are being forced to pay cash in advance for jet fuel as the major oil companies tighten the screws on an industry that is being crushed by an extraordinary surge in the price of crude oil.

Sources within the airline industry indicate that credit is being denied to most of the leading American carriers and the practice is moving to Europe and Asia. So uncertain is the cash solvency of the industry that jet fuel suppliers insist on prepayments into special bank accounts.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle4004371.ece

As Some Airlines Move Toward Chapter 11, Fuel Suppliers Demand Cash (AMR)
The major US airlines can no longer get "net 30 days" as credit terms, or any terms at all. Fuel companies want cash. They do not want to end up holding the tank if a carrier defaults and its receiveables go into a pool as part of a bankruptcy.

http://www.247wallst.com/

[sithlordv]

Well, as gas prices are rising about 5 cents a day now, I think we can
safely say hyper inflation is here.


So what gas price will make it cheaper for people to stay home and not
work? Struggling for a paycheck that won't match your expenses?



I want to point out to the WSF if the gas prices continue at this
rate there will be a point where there will be a RAPID and HUGE shift
of political economy in the USA.


In short importing goods will cost too much in terms of fuel cost. No
one to buy the stuff because of hyper inflation, only money for necessities.
Work will have to be closer to home since fuel costs too much.
There will be armies of poor and unemployed "stranded" by
high energy costs.

In short, the most important consideration will be energy costs,
nothing else will matter. So with non cheap fuel there will
will be a massive shift in the USA and the world.

I wonder if the realization will ever become widespread just how much of the pricing
pressure is due to the US military use of fuel.

How willing will Joe and Betty Sixpack be to continue to unquestionably support
the military industrial complex while suffering a significant reduction in standard
of living as a direct result of that support?

The majority of the pricing doesn't have to do with the military they use diesel and pay 3.60 to 4.50 per gallon. I have friends in the military. The real reason prices are going up is the oil and processing plants are over inflating the price and not refining fast enough to keep up with demand. They barely keep up with the demand needed 15 years ago. But one day the gas shortage of the 1970s will kick in again. We didn't learn then and we won't learn now. But I do drive an electric bike so I'm covered even if I look silly some days and now I'm rigging it with solar panels to recharge the battery. It seems like the easiest and most reliable fix till hydrogen engines are improved.

[Rick]

Hokey smokes, folks. Take some time and read if you please. Hopeak did a nice job explaining the price increase on fuel in another thread. It's all about future's bidding. As long as speculators are bidding 100+ a barrel it's going to remain high. That bidding can not hold it's momentum. Both the U.S. and Non - Opec countries are increasing production. Even the Saudi's agreed to increase production.

Bragg - Hyperinflation? Are you kidding? May numbers obviously aren't out yet but April was at 4.94%. The third straight month it's gone down.

To take this even further, the U.S. strategic reserve is about 570 million barrels. If things get as bad as everyone on here professes, the government would release some measure of that to the open market so everyone has enough oil for heat, etc. That's exactly what they did in 2000 by putting 30 million barrels into the market.

The great American Military machine? I remember when the military machine wasn't highly thought of and our men and women lacked equipment and training because of it. I'll bet many on here served during that time. I don't ever want to go back to that. I want those protecting me (and Canada by the way) to have the best training and equipment possible. I'm not Joe sixpack so you can call me Sheeple Rick.