Big Foot

**trax** · 08-13-2007, 03:59 PM

..cuz I'm pretty sure you're pickin' on me Dude

I agree with you that the "Oh yeah, he's out there" group are way out of control. There's also the possibility that all kinds of animals could have lived and died off in North America without human's ever being aware of them! What do you suppose a four-legged wolf pack would do if they saw something like that? "LUNCH Everyone!!" LOL

**trax** · 08-13-2007, 04:02 PM

There's a Cree Indian legend that the beaver used to be a huge animal, no one believed in until some Russian archaeologists found beaver skeletons that were almost the size of baby elephants in some caves in Alaska. Just saying...don't discount legends partner....we never know what we don't know, y'know?

**wareagle69** · 08-13-2007, 04:10 PM

i know i'm gonna get it for this one but.

the same could be said about a two thousand year old story.

**trax** · 08-13-2007, 04:14 PM

Nah, you're right. I'm just saying we don't know. There's a lot of good Christians here and I mean this only as an example, I have no problem with anyone's beliefs and I am not attacking anyone's beliefs, but the same could be said for a two thousand year old story that was written down. People choose to believe.

**owl_girl** · 08-13-2007, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by wareagle69

i know i'm gonna get it for this one but.

the same could be said about a two thousand year old story.

Actually there is a valid document outside of the bible of Jesus existence. But I got your point

**trax** · 08-13-2007, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by owl_girl

Actually there is a valid document outside of the bible of Jesus existence. But I got your point

There's lots of them, actually, and there's a lot of other good examples I could have used besides that one. I'm just saying..two thousand year old stories are just that, writing them down doesn't necessarily validate them, not writing them down doesn't necessarily invalidate them. Let's say a four thousand year old story...who stood by scribbling notes when Moses parted the sea? I'm still more likely to believe Moses' story than I am most of the stuff I see and hear on Fox News...

**Sarge47** · 08-13-2007, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by trax

Nah, you're right. I'm just saying we don't know. There's a lot of good Christians here and I mean this only as an example, I have no problem with anyone's beliefs and I am not attacking anyone's beliefs, but the same could be said for a two thousand year old story that was written down. People choose to believe.

There is more solid evidence for that 2000 year old story than you might realize. A ton of it. Belief is one thing, proving something is another! I can give you tons of historical research and evidence on the "death, burial, & ressurection" of a certain Jewish carpenter. You can't even give me a tiny bit of BF scat!

**carcajou garou** · 08-13-2007, 07:53 PM

The coelacanth was extinct/myth till finally revealed in the later 1930's, giant squids the same till recently. So what else might there be out there?
Maybe nothing but fun to look for never the less.

**donny h** · 08-13-2007, 08:04 PM

Re: Bigfoot

The original BF hoax was perpetrated by Ray Patterson, google him, his fake footprints are the best thing to ever happen to the tourism industry of The Emerald Coast in NorCal.

Native peoples all over the world have monster myths. Some of those myths are base on collective memories of actual events, most are just myths, often created to explain the unexplained, or to control the behavoir of men.

If there were large primates in NA in modern times, there would be fossil evidence. Perhaps such fossils haven't yet been found, more likely, they don't exist at all.

Bf has been 'sighted' in over 20 states, over many decades, so to consider that he exists, we must concede that there is a viable, ongoing population to explain the wide area of the sightings, as well as the time span. Biologists estimate the minimum number of such large primates to sustain a population at 3-400 individuals.

So we are not talking about 5 apes hidden in the Oregon forests, we're talking hundreds of 7' tall, 400 pound primates walking around the forests of NA, without ever leaving a bone, a tooth, a scrap of fur, or some scat, and they manage to get frequently spotted, yet never decently filmed.

Color me skeptical.

A corpse would make me a believer.

**Sarge47** · 08-13-2007, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by donny h

Re: Bigfoot

The original BF hoax was perpetrated by Ray Patterson, google him, his fake footprints are the best thing to ever happen to the tourism industry of The Emerald Coast in NorCal.

Native peoples all over the world have monster myths. Some of those myths are base on collective memories of actual events, most are just myths, often created to explain the unexplained, or to control the behavoir of men.

If there were large primates in NA in modern times, there would be fossil evidence. Perhaps such fossils haven't yet been found, more likely, they don't exist at all.

Bf has been 'sighted' in over 20 states, over many decades, so to consider that he exists, we must concede that there is a viable, ongoing population to explain the wide area of the sightings, as well as the time span. Biologists estimate the minimum number of such large primates to sustain a population at 3-400 individuals.

So we are not talking about 5 apes hidden in the Oregon forests, we're talking hundreds of 7' tall, 400 pound primates walking around the forests of NA, without ever leaving a bone, a tooth, a scrap of fur, or some scat, and they manage to get frequently spotted, yet never decently filmed.

Color me skeptical.

A corpse would make me a believer.

Thank you for that rational, logical, well thought out discourse.

Now let me give you just one of the dumb responses I've received in the past to explain the "Lack of BF evidence"; they (the BF) are involved with "UFO's" who take all the evidence off of the face of this planet. "DER"!!!!!!!!!

**donny h** · 08-13-2007, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge47

they (the BF) are involved with "UFO's" who take all the evidence off of the face of this planet.

I would think that if the pointy headed aliens are bright enough to figure out space (time) travel, they are bright enough to know not to try and infiltrate us with a creature that will be shot on sight by millions of the very folks they are trying to infiltrate.

I hope .357 is enough...

**Sarge47** · 08-14-2007, 12:05 AM

One lady swears up & down that she has had visits and held conversations with a Bigfoot for many years. He, reportedly, speaks in a deep, gutteral, voice.

(Does her hubby know?

)

**HOP** · 08-14-2007, 05:05 PM

I think that no one really cares enough to absolutely say by evedence and study yes or no.Maybe one may walk out of the woods Like Pope& Youngs buddy Ishi the primative indian and clear this all up. I have to say not likely but voluenter to go on a paid and equiped exploration of all wilderness areas and eventualy come to a conclution.

**Sarge47** · 08-14-2007, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by HOP

I think that no one really cares enough to absolutely say by evedence and study yes or no.Maybe one may walk out of the woods Like Pope& Youngs buddy Ishi the primative indian and clear this all up. I have to say not likely but voluenter to go on a paid and equiped exploration of all wilderness areas and eventualy come to a conclution.

A few years back I mentioned to some people that someone should mount an expedition to find out one way or the other who or what BF really is or if such a thing exists! With military precision and equipment, including night vision goggles, infra-red equipment, state-of-the art "steady-cams, 35mm cameras loaded with 800 speed film and all lenses set on "auto-focus" and weapons of all kinds. Then post a large cash reward for one, dead or alive.

I'd go!

**donny h** · 08-14-2007, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge47

night vision goggles, infra-red equipment, state-of-the art "steady-cams, 35mm cameras

Or I could make some slip-on bigfeet and go leave some prints on a riverbank, pretend to 'find' them, whip the local media into a minor frenzy, and make a fortune off the tourists that show up and buy bigfoot paraphernelia.

Oh wait, that's all ready been done, they call it Humboldt County, NorCal.

**trax** · 08-15-2007, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Sarge47

There is more solid evidence for that 2000 year old story than you might realize. A ton of it. Belief is one thing, proving something is another! I can give you tons of historical research and evidence on the "death, burial, & ressurection" of a certain Jewish carpenter. You can't even give me a tiny bit of BF scat!

My truth is, if I thought there was an eight foot tall monster buggin' around out there...for even a second....I'd stay home! I'm not trying to bring you bigfoot scat, or proof of anything, but the question was raised about details and validity of ancient stories, so I used that example. Sure there's plenty of proof, but the "devil's in the details?" (no pun meant, sir) If we're not there, we don't know...it really is that simple.

**trax** · 08-15-2007, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by carcajou garou

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Maybe nothing but fun to look for never the less.

Yeah! and good for the guy with the giant footprints, nothing like boosting the ol' tourism industry, lol.

**trax** · 08-15-2007, 11:07 AM

Sarge got me thinking with the scat comment. I'm going with this theory...hundreds, or even thousands of people can go walking anywhere in the forest and pass by piles of doo-doo and do everything possible to avoid it, not examine it. I'm saying it was made by bigfoot and pointy headed aliens....

I'm just going with that theory cuz it could make for a gripping episode for survival dude

**Sarge47** · 08-15-2007, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by trax

Sarge got me thinking with the scat comment. I'm going with this theory...hundreds, or even thousands of people can go walking anywhere in the forest and pass by piles of doo-doo and do everything possible to avoid it, not examine it. I'm saying it was made by bigfoot and pointy headed aliens....

I'm just going with that theory cuz it could make for a gripping episode for survival dude

Suvivaldude meets Bigfoot. They join forces to terrorize campers, tourists, and other gullible visitors! I like it!

As for the scat you forget how many top-notch trackers and outdoorsmen are out there scouring the forests for BF evidence! If BF makes "potty" in the woods someone would either find it or step in it! Outfits like the "BFFRO" (Bigfoot Field Research Organization, yes, there really is such a group!) would die to get their hands on just a tad of DNA from BF. But that old cagey creature has kept it completely hidden for over 50 years, thereby confounding every hunter, tracker, and other experts along the way...not bad..... for a primate!

**trax** · 08-15-2007, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Sarge47

Suvivaldude meets Bigfoot. They join forces to terrorize campers, tourists, and other gullible visitors! I like it!

As for the scat you forget how many top-notch trackers and outdoorsmen are out there scouring the forests for BF evidence! If BF makes "potty" in the woods someone would either find it or step in it! Outfits like the "BFFRO" (Bigfoot Field Research Organization, yes, there really is such a group!) would die to get their hands on just a tad of DNA from BF. But that old cagey creature has kept it completely hidden for over 50 years, thereby confounding every hunter, tracker, and other experts along the way...not bad..... for a primate!

Survival Dude gets Martha to help Big Foot with his 75 years of constipation problem! Big Foot becomes less grumpy and evasive, sounds like a sh***y episode though!