@ Kyrat - You want to say a few words about what fungus, mold and mildew will do in just a few short days? I'll bet you still have fungus in places 40 years later.
@ Kyrat - You want to say a few words about what fungus, mold and mildew will do in just a few short days? I'll bet you still have fungus in places 40 years later.
Fungus destroys canvas.... Anyways, great 6th episode. No body quit. Everyone is finding food and are fairly settled in. I think it will come down to who wants it more.... either that or winter will get them. I don't see them making many winter preps. I know there are mild winters there....but still, what is the food availability in the winter?
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I don't see any of them making long term shelter for cold weather. Maybe they think the others will quit first so no need. I would think planning for long term survival... not just thinking about lasting longer than the rest, would be the better choice.
Fungus, salt, sand = hell camping
There is also the salt and sand which destroys gear, your skin and whole body. Their bodies and gear were probably breaking down fairly fast. I have some friends that refuse to camp on the sea coast due to salty sand and what it does to gear. I try to rinse out my clothes as completely as possible to avoid rash and chaffing or whatever it is called (being miserable). People not near steep slope where fresh water came down may have had it rougher (i.e. brackish water good for food but bad for people). So fresh water rain is a blessing and a curse (fungus). If wind whips up from coast/bay it can blow salt water/mist/sand all over your camp. Bottom line it wears on you over time.
Sorry I am late to the party. I just read all 7 pages and am up to speed on everyones thoughts.
On joe I can see where he may have been had a mental hit at the quote quote "lost his fire steel" Bunker. I have one. its 1/2" dia and 6" long so pretty hard to lose but I wasn't there so, yeah. What got me was ok he lost it but he had a fire. Why not make some char cloth or simply build the fire he had and move it when he could then look for the ferro rad again. All mute if he did use it as an excuse to leave but hey we each have our own demons to contend with.
I can confirm that Ti does throw sparks just like carbon steel. I have plenty in the knife shop and have tried it myself. As to the Rc it needs to be I don't know but Ti will not get very high on the scale. I think its in the mid to low 50's.
Some of the thing the producers have shown from the hundreds of hours of video just bewilder me. Brant being at the top of the list. Drinking moss filtered water !!! Really!!! nothing more needs to follow
My wife and I have chosen Mitch, Alan as our favorites to go the distance with Sam being the dark horse. San is a bit of a enigma. His Bio boast some decent schools and having lived in a tent for a year in Az. Yes He is young and appears naïve but he is still here as one of four and may just surprise us.
As for Alan I wont give the spoiler alert but you can read his own comments in a few places that make me ask if they will call the winner on the sat phone to let him know that he has won or will they just let everyman stay till they call it quits.
Mitch. I don't know him but like him. I like his channel and can relate to his thoughts and ways. I would enjoy sharing a fire with them and hear their thoughts and experiences
I too have applied and received an e-mail last week that season 2 has been filled but that my app will be kept on file.
More than anything rather than quarter-back the show its presented me with many thoughts for reflection and confirmed some things I already knew from experience being alone as well as from psychology of human nature being exposed to longterm social depravation. I think the reason it may not pay as heavy on some is because they never had the heavy social ties that the world is molding the younger generations with. As a boy and young man growing up in the country with no one my age close by, I spent most my days hunting fishing, trapping or just playing in the woods and killing snakes or building shelters. yes I had school friends and girlfriends but there was time and space separating us. I did not live on a phone or in front of a computer screen. Todays society is far more social in many ways but also detached as a sense of community that bound locals together.
Anyway hello again to my friends here who remember me and hello to those who do not. Pull up a log to the virtual fire and sit a spell. I am interested in what insights others have with the guys who have left and those that have yet to leave.
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Y'all let me know what happens...guess I'm burned out on watch lonely, starving, men being afraid of bears/cats and crying about missing home and family.
I can not get into this......taking way too long...my attention span is about 15 min. max for this show.
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Hunter I think "Survivor" may have spoiled you with constant excitement and fluff lol
How have you been ?
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Been good....good to see ya back.....
But have to say, that I have followed N&A more than Alone....LOL
I do still follow the grand daddy of the reality shows "Survivor".....Oh well.
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lol I don't watch Survivor but my wife does so yeah, I really do lol You know how that is
Yeah its been a few years since posting anywhere. Another popular forum gave me a flag or demerit everything I said anything or asked a question concerning knives, bows and firecraft items since I once made and blades , bows and fire steels for guys there and nolonger wanted to sell on their page. Their words were once a seller always a seller and I had to buy their sub-forum store. I don't care for kool-aid and would enjoy discussing it face to face but they will make sure that wouldn't happen so I just left.
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My observations
Don't read this if u did not watch last night's show.
Most important tool or gear in survival is your mind and how to improvise tools/gear. Anyone who has actually used gill nets, fish/crab traps and snares etc. knows that they are often damaged or an animal (non-target perhaps) runs off with them. Gill nets especially get full of debris or large logs wash them away even in protected eddy waters. In Mitch's case a bear may have found a fish in the net and taken the whole thing.
So bottom line make multiple fish and small game/crab/crayfish/minnow etc traps out of whatever you can find and secure so currents do not fill with debris or wash away. If not in this History Channel show you can even modify a nylon net laundry hamper to trap catfish/crayfish, it is very light attach to backpack but does not last long. Google wood slat catfish traps for better. Memphis net dot net or quick and dirty use plastic crates, zip ties, those orange cones for kids soccer practice, face entrance down stream. Eat well.
Alan's attitude and actions as shown on this episode were the best IMO. But I did not see him put rocks/weight in trap or what bait he used.
I'm not familiar with fish in that area but was that really a species of ling-cod that Lucas caught?
On Discovery Naked and Afraid XL the Narrator called an Agouti a "Capybara" which is a totally different species and much larger and different habitat. Eyes rolling back, I had a Agouti pet was given to me by people returning to America. Terrible pet BTW, but they do taste good, better than Capybara.
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Alan did say he has never made a fish trap before nor has he fished this way so it may have not yet occurred to him , if he didn't anchor the trap, to put rocks in it. I think he did well building it having never built one before but I did wonder why he did not make a few more.
We all have off days hunting and fishing and its a game of numbers like Sam, the dark horse, mentioned. The more traps the better the odds.
I am a bow hunter and have been since I was a teen. I killed my first deer with a recurve and have hunted with one most of my life. If it were me and from what I understand it is allowed I would be hunting game. If I could being my longbow and 6 arrows it would not be wise for a bear to be within range. Joe said in one of his exit interviews that he wouldn't shot a bear with a bow because it would piss the bear off. This is very telling of his knowledge as a hunter. bears are quickly and humanly taken with 45lbs bows yearly. I believe the specs on the bow was your choice with a weight range between 45 and 60 lbs so well within the ability of the weapon to kill with a quality sharp broadhead to overcome the bears thick hair.
It would be good to have setup a smoker , away from the main camp and down wind of the camp, ahead of time so after the kill the meat could be processed and dried. I hate beat fat and it taints the flavor of the meat to me so cut it off and use the rest to catch crabs.
I thought it was fortunate for lucas to find the float and make the trotline.
Sam is on track with the traps but his main support stick appeared to be too tall and give the rodent time to jump back.
Mitch took a hit with the net but it may be a boon in the end if he must get out and move more.
We don't know except what we are shown whatelse the guys do. I hope they have explored more of their area. I haven't seen them preparing for the long stay in the way of processing extra wood and keeping it dry or fortifying their shelters with boughs for insulation. We know its cold them and winter is approaching so being warm and dry and having some dry wood would be prudent.
Its a mind game for sure. Not knowing what all we know and just fighting with yourself and the idea of expectations others that you care about have has got to play havoc on the psyche. If your time is not productive and focused on goals I can see it being the real enemy.
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Well at least you did not tell the narrow minded moderators of that other forum what you really think of them and get your handle and IP address "banned" for life because no one knows what a VPN is. I don't know anyone who would do that. Ha ha ha. Good observations about the contestants in your comments above BTW. All 4 have adapted well to a difficult environment at a bad time of year but Alan appears to be doing the best.Originally Posted by Erratus Animus
lol I don't watch Survivor but my wife does so yeah, I really do lol You know how that is
Yeah its been a few years since posting anywhere. Another popular forum gave me a flag or demerit everything I said anything or asked a question concerning knives, bows and firecraft items since I once made and blades , bows and fire steels for guys there and nolonger wanted to sell on their page. Their words were once a seller always a seller and I had to buy their sub-forum store. I don't care for kool-aid and would enjoy discussing it face to face but they will make sure that wouldn't happen so I just left.
I did say a few choice words to Guy and faul or whatever his name is. I am not banned but just chose to nolonger waste time trying to help and be apart of a community of ASSended elders. What a joke, really.
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TXyaker I just try to think about what I would do and what is not being shown. I have learned a bit from the show and had some things I had not thought about presented. I like that aspect of it.
We are all different people and though we share a kindred passion for the outdoors our minds process information differntly , so to see it all unfold as it does on the show in treat me greatly. Sure we can all point out this and that "we think is better" but the stressors they have there we don't at home.
I have said that there are two kinds of fans. Those that are blessed to play the game and those that are blessed to know what they should have done.
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Depends on your definition of "Reality Shows"
Technically first season of CBS's "Survivor" was in 2000 but in my opinion this is just a show about "office politics" outside with people not wearing much hanging out in an artificially primitive environment. Great for ratings because most people can relate to office politics, same if you work white collar, blue collar shop, retail or even telecommute and deal with it electronically, BUT know little about true wilderness survival.
So Les Stroud's first TV show was in 2001 (I believe) but he and many others did documentaries before that and many books.
Richard "Dick" Proenneke (died in 2003) wrote a great book "One Man's Wilderness: An Alaskan Odyssey" and some of his film was show on PBS long after he filmed it. This may have inspired Les Stroud and many others. Probably not those entertained by office politics however.
Just my personal opinions your view of these books, documentaries and T.V. shows may differ.
There are special showings of outdoor films for kayaking, rock climbing, mountain climbing etc. that a person must actually leave the comfort of their home to go see. Perhaps with friends and share some beers with before or after. This may not count as "Reality T.V." but to me it is closer to reality, but still not the same as getting out into the wilderness yourself.
Waders are not necessary on a sunny day
EA you make a good point about 1 hour episode, producers show very little of what actually happened (not a clinic or documentary). But Alan did well, for someone who has not fished much in tidal waters or even NW. If terrain and bears allowed I would have attempted to use live minnows on hooks with sapling pole and line at the narrow places where the brackish water was still going out and the cod were schooling up in pools below waiting to go up and feed as soon as the tide turned. And if not prohibited (oops forgot to film it) I would attempt to snag a migrating COHO salmon like I was truly surviving with a rigged treble hook 3 regular tied to stick. (Note: black bears that also know this may have been thick in these spots making it risky, or it may not have been accessible without a boat or waders, i.e. standing in cold water for an hour+.) Especially at the Gulf of Mexico at these transition areas and during a transition period in the tide it is a great time to catch fish that are clustered together (redfish/drum there not salmon or cod). Illegal to bow shoot or spear game fish either place NW USA/Canada or along Gulf Coast but if surviving I would try it.
However, the principle still applies if during a drought, low water release from dam or whatever, go where the fish are concentrated, never rely on passive fishing and ignore peak fishing times, even if 2am or 2pm. Then have fire material at cooking camp/kitchen area all ready to go and eat as soon as possible. As EA said in comment #131 above, best to have smoking set up ready to go as well. Guard it well. I have seen cows eat meat off an open-air smoker, pigs for sure, obviously a bear or raccoon would. Then hang cured meat up high from tree so animals cannot get to it. He who prepared best for winter may have won, even if only mentally. Actual game is over we are just watching the edited results. It’s still fun to talk about it.
On a personal note: a few years ago I had loaned a newbie an extra pair of my chest waders because he expressed concerns about the cold water on a February canoe trip (primitive). I was wearing mine and working my way slowly along the top of a ledge (small waterfall) trying not to get swept in because waders are a dang drowning hazard. Then I looked over and there was a former Special Forces friend up to almost his neck in just a T-shirt and shorts (sandals perhaps). Holding his rod above his head as he crossed over to a great spot. I was like “What the heck am I doing, being a wimp?” “It is a sunny day and there’s no ice floating in this river.” He caught a great stinger of fish I just got embarrassed. :-)
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It was never about Wilderness Survival....just Survival....like we all do everyday....and you are correct....
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And it did set the bar for the genre....most other show kinda copy the fake drama.
Still on, while other shows come and go.....
....And I still am on the waiting list as the "Token Geezer" willing to get voted off first....then hang out for 38 more day in the hotel sipping umbrella drinks
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I mentioned this on another board but wanted to get a response from you guys on this subject.
Do you see a relationship between Ishi and why he "got caught" and the men on Alone?
What do you mean by caught?....he wandered in to civilization, if I recall the story and was "alone"...so the loneliness made him come in.....?
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Right, loneliness and the ability to get food. If you remember Ishi's story, he watched the white men slaughter his family and tribe, the whites were his enemies
By "caught" I mean he was very thin, starving, and the only way to stay alive was to surrender to his enemies because he didn't have the support of the tribe. The language barrier and more than likely a BUNCH of distrust towards the whites, prevented Ishi from conveying his reasons. But after watching the emotional breakdowns on "alone" (which I somewhat understand), Ishi watched his entire civilization massacred by the whites and every place he turned, he ran into those same whites. I put myself in his shoes and cant imagine the loneliness he felt.
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