Escape from NYC Bug-out Ebola Edition

[hunter63]

LOL not you sorry. Hunterp. He's been just using this site as advertisement, and stated he has replied to this thread.

Just click on the name and see all posts.
No response on the Ebola thread....

Said hello, responed to that...then did respond to headlamp vid thread....
The rest is all You Tubes.......

[1stimestar]

First thing he says, "I case of an emergency like 9/11 all bridges and tunnels out of town will be shut down. So you might try a bridge over here." So are ALL bridges shut down or not?

[crashdive123]

Just somebody that thinks they will gain internet immortality, fame and fortune by putting out Youtube vids.

[BENESSE]

First thing he says, "I case of an emergency like 9/11 all bridges and tunnels out of town will be shut down. So you might try a bridge over here." So are ALL bridges shut down or not?

Just to set the record straight, on 9/11 all bridges weren't shut down, at least not to foot traffic (which is the only way you're gonna get anywhere around here especially during any sort of out of ordinary situation)-- people walked across Brooklyn bridge, that's easy to confirm in documentary footage.
Now under different circumstances, say a viral attack, it wouldn't surprise me if they completely sealed the city or at least Manhattan so no one gets out to spread anything. (movie I Am Legend kind of sets up that scenario up front)

Having a boat of sorts sounds fine but only if you leave ahead of everyone. (in which case you could drive or fly out) Otherwise, thousands of people aren't gonna stand by and wave to you as you get into your craft and push off the shore.
Imagine Black Friday at Wallmart taken to 11th power and 7th factorial and you get the picture.

[hayshaker]

bennese your spot on with that i believe in a viral type senario many key bridges will be shut down to ALL traffic in
order to halt the spread of a contagion. cities like NYC,ST,Louis,Chicago,BOSTON,DC.minneapolis,and so on will be shut off
no one in on one out. my is untill the virus burns it,s self out another words when everyone is dead.
then the clean up will begin. the govt has spent untold millions on wargameing and what if senarios for decades.
very soon we could be finding out justwhat.

[Rick]

Quarantining a city of any size would be untenable. Manhattan might, might be doable but there are too many miles in the circumference of a city to keep people in or out. It's not logistically possible. While there have been a number of Executive Orders granting the CDC the power to quarantine they are only lawful for a handful of diseases (although 1 would be enough in my book). Cholera; Diphtheria; infectious Tuberculosis; Plague; Smallpox; Yellow Fever; Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers, influenza and acute respiratory syndromes.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/...-statutes.aspx

If you want out of the city all you have to do is cross the line of demarcation and if you want in same thing. How could you possibly guard every square foot around Atlanta, Dallas or even cities with water boundaries such as Chicago or St. Louis?

I should add that having been quarantined with Chicken Pox as a kid I get it.

[kyratshooter]

You do not remember the Berlin Wall do you Rick?

A large modern city can most certainly be quarantined if the necessity arises and the motivation exists.

[Rick]

Of course I do. However, you are not going to build a wall around a city. The amount of time to even string concertina wire around a city would be far too little far too late with a communicable disease. Even the offensive structures of the wall, mine fields and barbed wire failed to keep everyone in the city, which goes back to my original premise. It's logistically impossible. Had that been a quarantine situation the disease would have run it's course by the time the wall was built. And the wall only separated two parts of a city. In did not block egress to the north, east or south. Only to the west.

Here's a good legal read from the Bar Association:

http://www.americanbar.org/content/d...thcheckdam.pdf

[BENESSE]

Quarantining a city of any size would be untenable. Manhattan might, might be doable but there are too many miles in the circumference of a city to keep people in or out. It's not logistically possible.

Given that nothing is 100% fool proof, Manhattan is more doable than any other large city because it's an island. And because of it's population density, the motivation to keep it contained would be unbelievably high.

[hunter63]

Don't forget the hand sanitizer..........

[Rick]

I agree, B. That's probably the best location for an entire city. The bridges and tunnels could certainly be secured. The real problem you have with any large scale quarantine is all those folks that live elsewhere but work inside the quarantined area that supply health care, police, fire, EMS, sanitation, water and power. The military would probably be pressed into performing those tasks where people shortages occur either because of illness or because they were kept away.

[rebel]

Having a boat of sorts sounds fine but only if you leave ahead of everyone. (in which case you could drive or fly out) Otherwise, thousands of people aren't gonna stand by and wave to you as you get into your craft and push off the shore.
Imagine Black Friday at Wallmart taken to 11th power and 7th factorial and you get the picture.

I guess for some, having stealth is beyond comprehension and therefore impossible.

[BENESSE]

I guess for some, having stealth is beyond comprehension and therefore impossible.

"Stealth" in my case is definitely not the same as say, 1strimestar's.
My way of being stealthy among a few million of tightly packed people is to join the crowds, blend in and not stand out in any way. Urban chameleon, as it were. I am just another undistinguished face among many...bland, average, even tempered. But super vigilant and with a plan of action. One has to adjust to his/her environment and I have because I understand the constraints and I am not going to do anything dumb and impulsive no matter how compelled I'd feel at times.
A polar bear will behave differently from a grizzly, and a python from a rattlesnake. Our environment should dictate what we do if we want to survive and thrive in it.

[1stimestar]

"Stealth" in my case is definitely not the same as say, 1strimestar's.
My way of being stealthy among a few million of tightly packed people is to join the crowds, blend in and not stand out in any way. Urban chameleon, as it were. I am just another undistinguished face among many...bland, average, even tempered. But super vigilant and with a plan of action. One has to adjust to his/her environment and I have because I understand the constraints and I am not going to do anything dumb and impulsive no matter how compelled I'd feel at times.
A polar bear will behave differently from a grizzly, and a python from a rattlesnake. Our environment should dictate what we do if we want to survive and thrive in it.

Egggg Zactly.

Btw, I LOVED I am Legend.

[rebel]

LOL. From that, all I want to say is, good luck.

[Rick]

B, while they are shooting at rebel flying out of the city make a break for it.

[crashdive123]

B - tried to give you some rep, but had to spread the love.

[hayshaker]

i don,t know if this would be back peddling on some quote i maade
erlyier but the fact that the military has been trimmed down so much
would the military really be able to contain a city such as LA or chicago.
especially with all the obligations we have all over the globe right now.
makes ya wonder.

[BENESSE]

LOL. From that, all I want to say is, good luck.

Thanks, Reb, I need good luck just catching a cab at 4pm (that's when the shift changes) There's always some S hitting TF, so no big whoop.

[hunter63]

B - tried to give you some rep, but had to spread the love.

Got it covered....and agree......