alternatives to 22 rimfire

[Lamewolf]

Under hammer would be an in-line...or at least I can visualize that
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No, an underhammer has the nipple at 90 degrees to the barrel and on the bottom of the barrel. The trigger guard is also the mainspring to drive the hammer with the hammer in front of the trigger guard. Google under hmammer rifle, I'm sure there are plenty of pictures, and one name for them was a "buggy rifle".

[hunter63]

I am familiar with the Hopkins and Allen rifles....and shot a few......but was confused when we were talking in-line.
All good, just cleared it up.....thanks.

[kyratshooter]

When dealing with these off the wall ideas we also need to think outside the box on the rifles we use to shoot them. Imagine this design as the ignition for an in-line percussion ML and not just as an antique .22 rifle curiosity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=groXjMNUgrA

[hunter63]

There was another option.....CVA Electronic ignition....uses 9 volt battery
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/44063

[randyt]

I've been thinking about converting one of my destroyer carbines to 7.62x25 but it seems 7.62x25 isn't as plentiful as it once was. On the other hand 9mm largo is a reloading proposition so 7.62x25 might just as well be too. So many decisions LOL.

[hunter63]

I've been thinking about converting one of my destroyer carbines to 7.62x25 but it seems 7.62x25 isn't as plentiful as it once was. On the other hand 9mm largo is a reloading proposition so 7.62x25 might just as well be too. So many decisions LOL.

Well, there ya go....made me go look up another one.....Sure you want to change/hack up an old collector edition?

[randyt]

Well I have a couple, a nice one and a beater. Had three but a kid wanted one to play with but he arrived late on the surplus scene so I helped out. The beater could be converted with out much pain.

[kyratshooter]

Your 9mm Destroyer will shoot .38 Super auto. It is actually identical to the .38 colt auto, the original Browning full sized auto-pistol round.

You can reload it using .38spl dies and do not even have to buy .38 auto dies.

At least with the 9mm Largo/Super there is a source for cases. With the 7.62x25 you would have to form your own and the RCBS forming die set cost $200.

If you ever want to sell one of those carbines let me know!

[randyt]

I'll keep that in mind Krat, generally I almost never sell or trade a gun but sometimes. I have a coffee can of 9mm largo starline brass but was thinking the 7.62x25 would be a whiz. I thought that 7.62x25 was available from Winchester, S&B and possibly starline. Didn't realize it needed to be formed from a parent case.

[kyratshooter]

7.62x25 is SUPPOSED to be available from every major mfg, just like .22lr !!! LOL

Some day it may be again, but I am 64 and have no hope of living that long.

[hunter63]

Maybe we should get a wood frame/display case.......case up our favorite .22 and a box of 50 rds for something to show the grandkids.....

[randyt]

it will probably be like the .25 rimfire, just a little handful. or like any of the old rimfire or for that matter pinfire. rare beast indeed.

[randyt]

here a link to starline brass, perhaps if I go to order it it will be out of stock but currently it claims it's in stock. I have a cz-52 maybe I'll order a thousand. the nice thing about a destroyer carbine is it will be easier to find the brass, those semi autos throw brass all over creation.

https://www.starlinebrass.com/order-...liber/7.62x25/

[Sam]

What about the 5.7 round? It is center fire and should be a light enough bullet weight for small game. I am just throwing it in the mix for ideas on this thread.
-Sam

[Lamewolf]

Another thought for this thread - a 32 short or 32acp in a rifle or carbine, small, light projectile and reloadable !

[cwlongshot]

I'm surprised the hornet and Bee have t been mentioned....

CW

[kyratshooter]

I'm surprised the hornet and Bee have t been mentioned....

CW

We did mention the Hornet, and the Bee is just another of the necked down .22 centerfires of the 1950-60 era and falls in the same general category as all the other reduced loads in .222/.223/.224/22-250........

I suppose we are now at the point where folks are jumping in and commenting without reading the entire thread.

That happens.

[kyratshooter]

Another thought for this thread - a 32 short or 32acp in a rifle or carbine, small, light projectile and reloadable !

We have not had much discussion of the caliber reducing inserts for the .32.

I have not found them very accurate from their full rifle host guns but they are another option.

I have one each in 30-06/.308/.303 brit/7.62x54R.

Mine will fire .32acp/.32 Colt/.32 S&W and .32 H&R mag

Only they will not fire them well enough to feed me!

http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm

[Lamewolf]

We have not had much discussion of the caliber reducing inserts for the .32.

I have not found them very accurate from their full rifle host guns but they are another option.

I have one each in 30-06/.308/.303 brit/7.62x54R.

Mine will fire .32acp/.32 Colt/.32 S&W and .32 H&R mag

Only they will not fire them well enough to feed me!

http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm

A friend of mine made me a 32 acp adapter for my old 410 single shot. It has a 6 inch rifled section and shoots pretty darn good for what it is.

[cwlongshot]

We did mention the Hornet, and the Bee is just another of the necked down .22 centerfires of the 1950-60 era and falls in the same general category as all the other reduced loads in .222/.223/.224/22-250........

I suppose we are now at the point where folks are jumping in and commenting without reading the entire thread.

That happens.

I stand corrected.. Randy did "mention it" on post 21. No one picked up on it.

I "jumped in" at post #6. I have read whats here.

The topic is alternatives to 22LR... My knowing what the Bee and Hornet is/are, is why I mentioned it. When loading "down" a larger caliber its easiest done with the smallest powder capacity. Something both the Hornet and Bee have in spades over the 222, 222M, 223, 225, 22/250 and 220 offer.

The thread has taken a turn to BP as a alternative, and in a "survival" alternative feel its logical and better alternative as compared to metallic reloading.

CW