Regarding the banning of certain members.

[Sarge47]

I see there is at least one member crying about Crashdive banning them and doing it in the public forums.

1st, asking "why" publicly is a waste of time. We're not going to give the reason publicly. It's like when you get fired from a job, that's not something that management talks about in public.

2nd, There is an "appeal" process, you can send an e-mail to Chris and he'll look into it to see if you have a valid complaint.

3rd, as a mod I trust the decisions of my fellow mods to be the correct one.

4th, you are NOT in a public place, this is a privately owned forum, so if you don't follow the rules, and/or argue with ANY mod that's a valid reason for banning!

For the record, Crash is NOT a ruthless mod that goes around banning members without a good reason. My only complaint is that he probably beat me to it!...

[Grizz123]

I didnt know arguing with a mod was a bannable offense

[RangerXanatos]

Nicely put. I know of some other places where the mods et al abuse the power righteously. I havent seen nor do foresee that being a problem here.

[crashdive123]

I didnt know arguing with a mod was a bannable offense

It's not.

I sort of wish this thread hadn't been started, as it just adds fuel to the fire. Since it was started, I'll explain - somewhat.

Most of you probably didn't see the profanity laced posts that were made because some called BS on a particular method of fire starting. Of course, the young man failed to note that some that did - said shoot a vid a prove us wrong and we'll apologize. Anyway - back to the profanity. Directing that tirade toward other members is not something that will stand. There were probably half a dozen posts that were deleted. The matter was then being handled via PM. It did not go well.

As has been stated - disciplinary action is not open for discussion on the open forum. When other moderators are on line, we will often discuss things before taking action. In this case, one is on vacation and one isn't on-line that much. Trust me - this ain't rocket science.

[welderguy]

OMG this is still a topic of discussion. wasn't this done awhile ago?

[Winnie]

What's the fuss? A person breaks the rules, you face the consequences. Simples!

[ElevenBravo]

the profanity laced posts that were made

Well, thats enough.. The tempo of the forum has never been as such, hope it doesnt go that way.. Creative argument is healthy, down right being a basher is not.
EB

[WolfVanZandt]

I guess some folks have a mindset that forums are like the wide open spaces where you can do anything you want until someone knocks your block off, except there's no remedy on the Internet because you can't really knock anyone's block off.

I've mentioned that I've been banned from several forums and I'm perfectly happy to discuss those bannings, but one thing I've maintained through my entire Internet life. Unless forums are specifically designed to be public, they're not. There's almost always an individual or group who owns the site and they have ideas about how they want the site to be. In my opinion, they have the right to ban anyone they want for any reason they want. It's their house, they invite guests in and, if they're good hosts they will not allow individuals to make life miserable for other people in their house. I have never had a problem with forums banning me.

That said, I also have the right to discuss that banning in other forums. I believe that if the particular banned individual in question takes this course, within a very short period of time, the forum he elects to complain to will understand the exact nature of his banning and he will soon be banned again.

I rarely complain about specific boards on other boards but a couple of boards I have been kicked off of, I recon to be extremely toxic and I will warn other people off. For instance, one board I joined decided that members of a certain nature had to change that nature or be in danger of hell fire. It just so happened that I had worked with people who had tried to change that nature and spent months helping them get over the resulting disasters. So I posted a sizable argument that the forum's position was untenable and, predictably, I was banned. The email from the forum stated that, many of the forum members took my post to heart and left the board. I went on some other forums and warned people off the forum that had banned me and one of the mods came over and denied that some of the things had happened, which was a dumb thing to do since I had the email and the original post was still up. Then I got to confront a Christian forum for lying.

This forum is a very beneficial site and I have never seen anything that smacks of impropriety from the mods (well, some of the hong photographs are a little trauma-inducing, but beyond that....). There's all kinds in the world. Some are just looking for reasons to cause problems; some are just sick minds that want attention so badly that they'll monkeywrench healthy relationships to get it. I feel badly for the sick minds but forums like this are not the place for therapy (I seriously doubt if any place on the Internet is appropriate for that). This forum has the beneficial purpose of education. If the mods are not defending that purpose, they're simply not doing their job.

Not only is this board not a democracy/anarchy - it should not be a democracy/anarchy. It was formed for reasons and for this board to be available to others for the reasons it was formed (beneficial reasons) it needs to be preserved as is. Democracy/anarchy would allow outside groups to come in and subvert those purposes. Stores, schools, churches, offices, etc. are not democracies or anarchies, should not be democracies/anarchies, and this forum is no different. Some folks who believe in the right of the individual to the exclusion to the right of other individuals in the neighborhood can't wrap their brains around the idea of moderator's rights to preserve the founding principles of a forum.

This board is the way it should be. If I threaten that, I should be banned. If I don't like this board so much that I would want to threaten it's integrity or the peace on the board, I should be banned. There are other forums that will serve my purposes better. I should be there.

[Tokwan]

I think...being an outsider (not from the USA), who have led a few forums and the lead for a foreign bike group (and yes we do have forums too), I would like to state here that I leave the decisions to the mods and admins.
Yes, I agree that this is a private forum.
Yes, I agree that some sort of rule or discipline need to be instilled to make sure we are keeping ourselves on the right track.

It is imperative that we instill some sort of discipline as this is a survival forum, where, if and when we impart the wrong knowledge, it might cause some problems to people who believe or trusted that information.

The person responsible for the information, needs to ensure that proof is given when requested.

I will not comment on the nature of the arguments or lack of respect or the languages used, just wanna make it short by saying, I trust the mods and admins here.

[Sarge47]

I didnt know arguing with a mod was a bannable offense

Not a debate about methods and survival info, but flaming, profanity, and refusing to listen to the mods when they are trying to re-establish order can be. Most often we start with a warning PM and even deleting objectionable content. If the problem persists we get stricter; if the person in question is just hard-headed and starts cussing out the mods while refusing the warning then it's a good chance that they will be banned. However, that's not the point here; the point being is that the mods don't air this sort of thing in public. Saying crap like Crash is exceeding his authority is not for a member to say on the forums. If you feel that he is send a PM to Chris and he'll look into it. However, just let me say that Crash is not an overbearing tyrant at all, he's a very compassionate person who likes to give the offending member every chance....

[hunter63]

Well...... you know, .....you get a booger on your finger, ....and you try to flick it off...and it just goes from finger to finger....and you roll it and roll it and try to flick it off again....and it still there........

FLICK.....FLICK...FLICK

[WolfVanZandt]

Ewwww.........

But, really. you have to let it dry out first and then it won't stick there......it'll just flick right off.

Be sure and wash your hands afterwards, though, there's, like, bacteria and pollen and stuff that gets trapped in them things........

[Tokwan]

Yep...wash your hands...cold water way.

[natertot]

Ewwww.........

But, really. you have to let it dry out first and then it won't stick there......it'll just flick right off.

Be sure and wash your hands afterwards, though, there's, like, bacteria and pollen and stuff that gets trapped in them things........

Really? I heard they make good fish bait.......

(sits back and waits for someone to try it......)

[2dumb2kwit]

I've been around here for years, and I can tell you that the mods here are a lot nicer and more patient than I would be. If you get banned from here......you had it coming. Period.

[natertot]

I've been around here for years, and I can tell you that the mods here are a lot nicer and more patient than I would be. If you get banned from here......you had it coming. Period.

well said, sir.

[kyratshooter]

We also have to remember that we attract some real nut cases due to the fact that we have the word "survival" in our banner.

With the slowdown of the "survival movement" on the internet there are fewer and fewer forums for the hard core to visit, so they gravitate here, thinking they are going to land in "like minded" company. We have always had to deal with the borderline phsycos, and we have a special thread just for their more humorous antics.

They are not just trolls, some of them are crazy!

That means we are going to need the quick action of the moderators to maintain the quality of the site as well as order in the ranks.

In contrast to most other outdoor forums we have a large pool of contributors. Hardly a day goes by without a couple of new threads being posted, new people arriving, and good questions being presented.

The fact that we have as many contributing members as do and as much participation as we have is testimony to the quality of the work of the senior members and the mods.

[1stimestar]

I've been around here for years, and I can tell you that the mods here are a lot nicer and more patient than I would be. If you get banned from here......you had it coming. Period.

I third that!

[ElevenBravo]

Yup, if 2D2Q hasnt been banned by now, you really gotta mess up to get banned! ha ha!

And your right on the "survival" in the name... *we* know what the forum is about, and thats why BOB and BOL and the sorts are discussed at a minimum here... BUT... the die hard flakes will still only see SURVIVAL and some of them, are bass ackwards thinkers..

Im not a prepper, Im a survivalist.. from the old school.. but my interest here is simply to enrich my mind for my deep woods outings because I *love* being in the field! Hiking, backpacking and camping in the woods is as close as I can get to a true spiritual experience and Im addicted to it!


Other than that, I cant believe this thread wont die! HA HA! (Now Im guilty of carrying it on...)

That is all for now,
EB

[WolfVanZandt]

Im not a prepper, Im a survivalist.. from the old school.. but my interest here is simply to enrich my mind for my deep woods outings because I *love* being in the field!

Yeah, and being around other people that think like that.