Priorities and such.

**Rick** · 07-18-2014, 10:21 AM

Pish Posh. All in a 6X6X4 inch pouch. And plenty of live saving stuff from QuikClot to pressure dressings to anti-diarrhea. If you don't have the training to use it then I strongly urge you to get it.

First Aid Kit – Condor Rip Away Pouch

Total weight including pouch is 2lb 7oz.
1 oz triple antibiotic ointment
2 bandage guage roller 2" x 6 yards
1 EMT shears
1 needle forceps
2 tweezers
1 nail clippers
2 closure strip 1/4" X 1 1/2"
4 6-0 Polyester Fiber Suture with 3/8" scalpel point needle (1 per pack)
2 Povidone-Iodine Prep pads
18 Alcohol Prep Pads (fire starter, too)
1 instant cold compress
2 Little Hotties hand warmers
1 4" x 4" sterile pad
1 5" X 9" ABD Pad Extra Absorbent
1 3" X 8" gauze bandage
4 sets of gloves
30 Hydrocodone 500 Mg tabs
12 Cipro 500 Mg tabs
1 50 g QuikClot Sport
2 6" wooden splints
Assorted sizes of Moleskin Plus
1 Dressing, First-Aid, Field, 11 3/4 inches square
11 plastic snip bandaids
2 Insect Sting relief towlettes
12 antihistimines
3 Butterfly closure
11 regular bandaids
1 box Luden's cough drops
1 Fresnel lens
4 1 use size Triple Antibiotic ointment
2 antacid tablets
2 acetaminophen tablets
6 Loperamide Hydrochloride (anti diarrhea)
1 1" roll guaze
10 Q tips
1 tube chap-ez
1 splinter remover
1 1 use tube of neosporin
2 1 use tube of First Aid Burn Cream
1 Burnaid Burn Gel
1 NexTemp disposable thermometer
1 First Aid Pamplet

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**Sarge47** · 07-18-2014, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Rick

Pish Posh. All in a 6X6X4 inch pouch. And plenty of live saving stuff from QuikClot to pressure dressings to anti-diarrhea. If you don't have the training to use it then I strongly urge you to get it.

First Aid Kit – Condor Rip Away Pouch

Total weight including pouch is 2lb 7oz.
1 oz triple antibiotic ointment
2 bandage guage roller 2" x 6 yards
1 EMT shears
1 needle forceps
2 tweezers
1 nail clippers
2 closure strip 1/4" X 1 1/2"
4 6-0 Polyester Fiber Suture with 3/8" scalpel point needle (1 per pack)
2 Povidone-Iodine Prep pads
18 Alcohol Prep Pads (fire starter, too)
1 instant cold compress
2 Little Hotties hand warmers
1 4" x 4" sterile pad
1 5" X 9" ABD Pad Extra Absorbent
1 3" X 8" gauze bandage
4 sets of gloves
30 Hydrocodone 500 Mg tabs
12 Cipro 500 Mg tabs
1 50 g QuikClot Sport
2 6" wooden splints
Assorted sizes of Moleskin Plus
1 Dressing, First-Aid, Field, 11 3/4 inches square
11 plastic snip bandaids
2 Insect Sting relief towlettes
12 antihistimines
3 Butterfly closure
11 regular bandaids
1 box Luden's cough drops
1 Fresnel lens
4 1 use size Triple Antibiotic ointment
2 antacid tablets
2 acetaminophen tablets
6 Loperamide Hydrochloride (anti diarrhea)
1 1" roll guaze
10 Q tips
1 tube chap-ez
1 splinter remover
1 1 use tube of neosporin
2 1 use tube of First Aid Burn Cream
1 Burnaid Burn Gel
1 NexTemp disposable thermometer
1 First Aid Pamplet

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I love this and have done one like it all contained in the same thing bought from Safe Zone! Excuses, excuses. If you don't know what to do medically in the field then you're a liability, not an asset!...

**ninjasurvivor** · 07-18-2014, 11:20 AM

I want to eventually learn more about medicine/first aid. It's always been on the back burner because it's a "what if" skill, and is moot if that circumstance never comes to pass. Other skills are more immediate and practical so I focus my attention there.

**Rick** · 07-18-2014, 12:05 PM

That's strictly an opinion and will be valid only until a medical event happens. Something like....riding your ATV over a cliff and crashing into a tree. Your point is valid for just about everything. There is no point in planning at all since nothing may ever happen. How practical was not having any medical skills when you went over the cliff?

**Rick** · 07-18-2014, 12:08 PM

I just went through that kit yesterday and removed some expired meds. Consider this a reminder to check your dates!

**ninjasurvivor** · 07-18-2014, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

That's strictly an opinion and will be valid only until a medical event happens. Something like....riding your ATV over a cliff and crashing into a tree. Your point is valid for just about everything. There is no point in planning at all since nothing may ever happen. How practical was not having any medical skills when you went over the cliff?

You would bring that up. I wasn't seriously injured though, so it was a non-event medically speaking. But say I had split my forehead open on that tree, what was I going to do, pour quick clot all over my face in my eyes?

Also, that stuff is like $15 and only lasts a couple years. It seems like I blink, and half the stuff in my BOB's is expired and I have to throw it out. I'd rather be tossing old snickers bars rather than quick clot packs at $15 a pop. I'm not saying it can't serve a good purpose in the rights circumstance. It's just the odds of you requiring it to live are very very low. If you are willing to risk that and save the money and space, then so be it.

**Rick** · 07-18-2014, 12:17 PM

Now you're being silly. No, but you could apply a pressure bandage or steri-strips. And QuikClot never expires. It's an inert clay. The package can be violated rendering it non-steril but the product will still work.

**crashdive123** · 07-18-2014, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by ninjasurvivor

You would bring that up. I wasn't seriously injured though, so it was a non-event medically speaking. But say I had split my forehead open on that tree, what was I going to do, pour quick clot all over my face in my eyes?

Also, that stuff is like $15 and only lasts a couple years. It seems like I blink, and half the stuff in my BOB's is expired and I have to throw it out. I'd rather be tossing old snickers bars rather than quick clot packs at $15 a pop. I'm not saying it can't serve a good purpose in the rights circumstance. It's just the odds of you requiring it to live are very very low. If you are willing to risk that and save the money and space, then so be it.

Quick Clot - while having an expiration date on it, will not go bad. I would recommend if you are going to use it to use the gauze type so there is no pouring of anything.

I have it in each of my first aid kits and it is my firm desire that I never have to use it........just as it is my firm desire that I never have to shoot somebody in self defense - but I still carry a weapon if I should need to, just as I carry Quick Clot.

Edit: Sorry Rick - was typing when you posted regarding the expiration of Quick Clot.

**Rick** · 07-18-2014, 12:25 PM

Actually, there is no expiration date on the package. There is a Use By date, which is the date the manufacturer guarantees the product. That doesn't mean it's no longer any good. They are just limiting their liability. I'll also point there is nothing to pour. QuikClot is either contained in a mesh bag or is impregnated on a gauze.

**crashdive123** · 07-18-2014, 12:25 PM

Got it. Thanks.

**ninjasurvivor** · 07-18-2014, 01:04 PM

That's right, they came out with better versions instead of the powder or granulated kind it used to be. I'm not totally discounting quick clot, don't get me wrong. It's good to know that it doesn't actually expire either.

**crashdive123** · 07-18-2014, 03:45 PM

Something else to consider about a product like Quick Clot. Several years ago when I went through CERT training I asked the instructor during a break (he was an EMTof 35 years) about it. He said it was really beyond the scope of the course and we would not be discussing hemostatic agents. He said some of the advanced training did cover them. He also said that in his 35 years as an EMT he has never had to use one, but he had them in every one of his personal first aid kits and would go anywhere without them. To me, that was all of the endorsement of a product that doesn't really cost all that much that I needed.

**ninjasurvivor** · 07-18-2014, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by crashdive123

Something else to consider about a product like Quick Clot. Several years ago when I went through CERT training I asked the instructor during a break (he was an EMTof 35 years) about it. He said it was really beyond the scope of the course and we would not be discussing hemostatic agents. He said some of the advanced training did cover them. He also said that in his 35 years as an EMT he has never had to use one, but he had them in every one of his personal first aid kits and would go anywhere without them. To me, that was all of the endorsement of a product that doesn't really cost all that much that I needed.

Well, the thing to consider about it is the type of wound you'd need it for. A GSW for example, will require immediate professional medical attention, surgical extraction, and a lot more than dumping volcano dust into a gaping hole in your chest. Compound fractures, the same thing.

But on the flipside of that coin, if you were away from civilization and did incur some type of deep puncture wound, it would be very hard to effectively close up that wound and stop the bleeding. Even a TQ and field dressing could be inadequate, particularly on certain parts of the body. Hmmm, I might be talking myself into getting one after all! Why not I reckon?

**Rick** · 07-18-2014, 04:43 PM

It wouldn't work on a trunk wound. Head and neck or extremity only. You blow an artery internally you have a lot of room to bleed inside. You blow one in your arm and you generally have a hole that needs to be plugged and once plugged the blood has no where else to go. That's an oversimplification I know but demonstrates the difference. And even if used you still need immediate medical attention. You are only trying to span the golden hour until you can reach a trauma center.

**Sarge47** · 07-18-2014, 06:56 PM

I miss Kevin. Wasn't he the guy who's signature read "If it's not in your pack and you need it, it's useless. If it's n your pack and you need it but don't know how to use it it's useless?" Can't remember for sure....

**crashdive123** · 07-18-2014, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge47

I miss Kevin. Wasn't he the guy who's signature read "If it's not in your pack and you need it, it's useless. If it's n your pack and you need it but don't know how to use it it's useless?" Can't remember for sure....

1. If it's in your kit and you don't know how to use it....It's useless.
2. If you can't reach your kit when you need it....Its useless.

**Sarge47** · 07-18-2014, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by crashdive123

1. If it's in your kit and you don't know how to use it....It's useless.
2. If you can't reach your kit when you need it....Its useless.

Yeah, that was it! Guy knows his stuff for sure!...

**LowKey** · 07-18-2014, 07:34 PM

I grew up with a train wreck for a best friend. Even as youngsters he was always falling, running into things, flipping the bike... The number of times we had to get him home from some part of the back woods with some sort of gaping wound or road rash or broken fingers/hand/arm/foot... He was a first aid training nightmare. Back then it was mostly tie it up with a t-shirt, elevate it and get it home. He would have been a walking advertisement for Quikclot.

The new generation quikclots are used as a sponge. You don't pour on the granules anymore. It's used as a compress. If you still have the old granular kind in your kit, time to upgrade.