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    For those that can't imagine, here's what a 14 footer really looks like:

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    See.....see that????? We missed it in the multiple use thread. Yet but another use for 100 mph tape.
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    Is it legal to use "duck" tape on a gator?
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    Common practice is to use electrical tape to tape their mouth closed. All the power is in closing their jaws, not in opening.
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    That gator looks like a blind date I once had.

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    Was trying to find a better picture of this, but this is the best I could do for now. Back in the 80s I use to go back down where I'm from for trapping season for alligators. In 87 we caught one that was 12'11". I brought the head back and nailed it to a board and put it on my little shed. Look over my shoulder in this picture and you'll see him out of his element covered in snow.

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    You trap gators? I guess that begs the question.....Why? I don't like a sport where I only get to make 1 mistake. I want to be able to yell KINGS!!! as many times as I want. DO OVER will work just fine, too. I picture this gator looking through a menu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    You trap gators? I guess that begs the question.....Why? I don't like a sport where I only get to make 1 mistake. I want to be able to yell KINGS!!! as many times as I want. DO OVER will work just fine, too. I picture this gator looking through a menu.

    "I'll have the chubby old guy without the jeans. Oh, and the small dog on the side."
    I don't anymore, but growing up we trapped alligators, nutria, muskrat and otter (otters were far and few between). In the Cajun culture it wasn't exactly a sport. Regular trapping season (fur bearing animals), Dec. 1 - March 1, we could make a fair amount of money and my family's economic situation back then was, let's just say difficult. Then when I moved up here to Illinois I was trying to at least maintain some of my culture and would make it down for a week or less of alligator season. We were issued only so many tags and it usually didn't take but a couple days to limit out.
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    To me its somewhere where there is little to no trace of human presence, such as powerlines and things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahyo View Post
    I don't anymore, but growing up we trapped alligators, nutria, muskrat and otter (otters were far and few between). In the Cajun culture it wasn't exactly a sport. Regular trapping season (fur bearing animals), Dec. 1 - March 1, we could make a fair amount of money and my family's economic situation back then was, let's just say difficult. Then when I moved up here to Illinois I was trying to at least maintain some of my culture and would make it down for a week or less of alligator season. We were issued only so many tags and it usually didn't take but a couple days to limit out.
    How do you "trap" a gator? Is it with a noose and stick contraption from a boat (like you see on TV)? Or some method of passive trapping, where you don't need to be present to catch the critter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurelius95 View Post
    How do you "trap" a gator? Is it with a noose and stick contraption from a boat (like you see on TV)? Or some method of passive trapping, where you don't need to be present to catch the critter?
    We used snares. Tie a dead chicken (or other kind of bait) to the bottom of it, alligator grabs the dead chicken and the snare tightens around it's snout. The other end is staked. Then when you run your lines, you try to take your time and shoot it in it's tiny little brain. You didn't need to be present to trap them but you had to run your traps every day. I've seen people snare them off the low bridges along the highway going to Cameron. That was back in the days before they legalized it.
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    I did a search in hopes of finding something that showed the setup we used and found this. These are the marshes from where I'm from. McNeese University, who apparently did these clips, is the University in Lake Charles, La., which is the major town north of where I'm from.
    These folks were using hand snares and I'm not sure they were "trapping" per say.

    http://www.faculty.mcneese.edu/mmerchan/catches.html
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    Some more info, but still not showing how we did it. There's some fairly good information here the subject in general.

    http://www.biggamehunt.net/sections/...-08110704.html
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    Thanks Tahyo! Interesting information. I've never been to LA and the only gators I've seen have been on golf courses in SC.

    I was suprised to read how quickly the alligator bounced back from the endangered status.
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    Where does the concept "Wilderness" live? In our head, or on the "other" side of our eyes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by remy View Post
    Is that a serious question ?
    If wilderness is a concept, this wilderness becomes relative.


    Now ..... can one illusion be more Relative than another Illusion? Where does that I, that I call myself, exist in the relativeness. Am I the center, or am I the beginning, from which all "Other" illusions (or realities) manifest?

    "We are the wilderness" both inside and outside. The wilderness comes from us. And also do We come from Wilderness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owl_girl View Post
    To me its somewhere where there is little to no trace of human presence, such as powerlines and things
    agreed. wilderness = untouched by humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by remy View Post
    Is there a place left on earth, untouched by humans ?
    I don't think so. I have been in the middle of some of the largest designated "Wilderness Areas" in Alaska, Montana, Idaho and South America and it is not surprising to find things left behind by humans. Almost daily while traveling through these places you can find signs of humans. Sometimes prehistoric stuff in the arctic tundra and jungles. Sometimes just old mining stuff from the 1800 and 1900's. But, still they are Wild *** places.

    Wilderness to me is just a human-made label trying to define an area that we haven't completly subdued or altered. A human construct to define something that essentially just is. But, I guess that pretty much sums up everything.
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    Lots and lots of places, Remy. They may have been touched by people but not by humans. I've seen a lot of folks that there was nothing human about them. Oh, wait. That's humane. Sorry.
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    Well if you include under the oceans, we know more about the moon than our own oceans. So if you wanna take up scuba diving, that would be pretty untouched.

    I'd say deep in the rain forest is your best bet for untouched. Or some nice cliffs or mountains in the north. A place no one (besides us) wants to be in mainly.
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