Risk Culture vs. Risk Management

**Rick** · 09-19-2013, 11:00 AM

Thank you, B. and HA! to you natertot. Make that a double HA!

Actually, I'm looking at it from a personal perspective. In the business world you have one person or a few that handles everything. Have you ever worked at a place where they had a fire warden? They walk around and tell everyone the fire alarm is going off and you have to leave in an orderly fashion (never figured that one out personally but I digress).

My reason for posting is that everyone needs to understand the "plan" and what to do in the event something happens. We all recognize there are limitations because of age or whatever reason but all things being equal we should not rely on one person to be the focal point of disaster recovery. Everyone should be trained and empowered to act if something bad happens. This is a complete departure from the days of yore. You can actually recognize the fire alarm on your own and walk out without being told. Well, not you personally but most can.

**natertot** · 09-19-2013, 11:15 AM

Nothing there I disagree with Rick. Never heard of a fire warden. Places I have worked at send company wide e-mails, a message to all fax machines and printers, and make overhead announcements. That is because there is always the handful that wanna assume it's a drill or false alarm. I do believe that training is paramount and that all those who can do, should do. I also think it's a good idea to have multiples trained in the same duties. If one goes down, there shouldn't be a missing link in the chain.

**Ken** · 09-19-2013, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by natertot

About that crayon..... As was stated by Ken "My 3 kids all started their swimming lessons before the age of 6 months. They all knew how to dial 911 by the age of 3. Basic first aid (taught by Dad) by age 5. The lessons were taught almost every single day."

Everyone here raise there hand if your kids walked by six months. Let alone....... swimming lessons? I am also wondering what swimming progam takes infants........ youngest I found was 5 years. 911 by 3yo.... feasable, but doubt it would be used correctly. First aid by 5? I would love to see my 5yo be able to do CPR, have enough consistant strength to apply pressure to a wound, and be able to comprehend what shock is......

My point, Rick, is that you can teach that stuff all day long to the young ones. My question is are they mature/wise enough to apply what they have learned appropriately? In the future.... sure. But at 6mos, 3yo, and 5yo?

I'm drawing an inference that you didn't believe me. Does THIS help?

PARENT AND CHILD SWIMMING LESSONS

For 6 - 36 months with a parent.

http://www.infantswim.com/

http://www.ymcaboston.org/swim-sports-play/swim-classes

The best way to teach kids to swim is to acclimate them to water at the earliest possible age. They will learn to respect, but not fear, the water that way. My three "kids" are all in their 20's now. They are all advanced swimmers. My two sons are certified lifeguards and open water divers. And each one started in the pool at the YMCA at 6 months of age. Who'd have thunk it?

**Ken** · 09-19-2013, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by natertot

About that crayon..... As was stated by Ken "My 3 kids all started their swimming lessons before the age of 6 months. They all knew how to dial 911 by the age of 3. Basic first aid (taught by Dad) by age 5. The lessons were taught almost every single day."

Everyone here raise there hand if your kids walked by six months. Let alone....... swimming lessons? I am also wondering what swimming progam takes infants........ youngest I found was 5 years. 911 by 3yo.... feasable, but doubt it would be used correctly. First aid by 5? I would love to see my 5yo be able to do CPR, have enough consistant strength to apply pressure to a wound, and be able to comprehend what shock is......

My point, Rick, is that you can teach that stuff all day long to the young ones. My question is are they mature/wise enough to apply what they have learned appropriately? In the future.... sure. But at 6mos, 3yo, and 5yo?

Yep, some basic First Aid skills by age 5, natertot. It doesn't take much to teach a child to elevate and apply direct pressure to a wound or to teach them many of the other basics. And FYI - CPR was NOT taught as part of the First Aid Program when I was a Red Cross Advanced First Aid Instructor/CPR Instructor Trainer. CPR was a separate course entirely, and no, I didn't teach, nor did I say that I taught, my kids how to do CPR at age 5.

So far as dialing 911 goes, once the number is dialed, emergency units respond. The kids don't even need to know their address to summon help. I'd rather see a 911 call made in error by a child instead of no call made when emergency help was needed.

**Ken** · 09-19-2013, 12:37 PM

Red Cross Youth Classes

http://www.redcross.org/ca/san-jose/take-a-class/youth-classes

**Ken** · 09-19-2013, 12:46 PM

natertot, saying that you're not waiving the BS flag doesn't mean that you're NOT waiving it. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining, okay?

Teaching Your Child About Dialing for Help

"By the age of 3 or 4, most children are ready to become familiarized with the emergency numbers of 911 and "0" for operator."

http://family.go.com/parenting/pkg-s...ng-for-help-t/

**natertot** · 09-19-2013, 12:56 PM

Ken, I agree with water acclimation. We do that, too, at local pools and not through
a sanctioned program. But they aren't learning floating or wading, which is where our local programs start and why I wouldn't consider acclimation as lessons.

As far as first aid, I have taught my daughter about keeping wounds clean and covered. There's no way there's the ability to lift and apply pressure.

911 finding your location only works if you have a landline. Doesn't work with cells. My daughter can effectively call 911, but don't trust the 3yo yet. Also, if there are too many false calls, parents can be subjected to fines.

**Rick** · 09-19-2013, 01:02 PM

Actually, 911 does work with cell phones. Phase II of the FCC requirement mandated that cell phones provide longitude and latitude of the cell phone within 50-300 meters depending on what type of cell phone architecture is being used.

**Ken** · 09-19-2013, 01:06 PM

My kids didn't have cell phones when they were 3. I had 4 landlines at the house. That was job security, Rick.

**Rick** · 09-19-2013, 01:07 PM

I thank you, my wife thanks you, my sons and daughters thank you and everyone on our party line thanks you.

**Ken** · 09-19-2013, 01:10 PM

It took me a week to find a service rep that knew what a B-multiple cable was. I hated all those individual lines coming into the house.

Guess they weren't common for residential services.

**Rick** · 09-19-2013, 01:12 PM

At one time we partnered with the Venezuelan Telephone company. The head of the company had something like 12 phones on his desk. He even had a small desk next to his with phones on it. At some point we started talking about pulling all of the phones out and replacing them with a single mult-line phone and he flipped out. Turns out the more phones you had the more important your were. Our warehouse guy must have been the most important guy in the whole world. He probably had over a thousand phones in the building. LOL.

**Rick** · 09-19-2013, 01:15 PM

The problem you ran into was what the tarriff's allowed. We couldn't charge for anything that wasn't tarriffed. We had a lot a gear and access to anything you could dream up but we couldn't install it because we couldn't charge for it. Deregulation was a good thing in that regard. Everything else about it sucked but it did make new technology available at light speed compared to the regulated world.

**Ken** · 09-19-2013, 01:20 PM

I had a Merlin system at the house. One phone on the desk and nightstand was enough for me. My kids KNEW I was important, LOL!

**natertot** · 09-19-2013, 01:24 PM

That's a good thing, Rick. My Sheriffs said they can triangulate of the cell towers and get a general area. A few square miles is about all. That was a couple years ago. I'll have to see if they have made progress since then.

Ken, there is a difference in waving a BS flag and being a bit skeptical. The way you wrote it and they way I read it didn't seem quite right to me. After you elaborated a little, I understand your perspective to what you wrote. Peeing on your leg? Nah. Maybe in your lemonade pitcher! Just kidding on that one.

**Ken** · 09-19-2013, 01:25 PM

I'll let it drop.

**Ken** · 09-19-2013, 01:28 PM

For anyone here with newborns or infants, check out the infant/parent swimming classes taught at the YMCA. If you enroll your infant at 6 months old, chances are that he or she will be paddling on their own before their first birthday, probably before they can toddle.

**Rick** · 09-19-2013, 01:41 PM

Tater, it came in under Phase II, which was supposed to have take effect in 2001. There is a company getting ready to roll out a product that will identify where you are in a multi-story building. The company is called Progeny and their product is called Multilateration Location and Monitoring Service or M-LMS. Supposedly, if you are on the 20th floor and dial 911 their service will show you on the 20th floor and in which office. There is some controversy brewing over it because It operates on the same frequency band as smart meters and those EZ Pay Toll thingies as well as some other items. However, the FCC has granted them permission to operate. They have to keep track of all complaints of interference they receive within the next year. I'm not sure what's next. It's sort of crazy.

"Oh, high Nater, I see you're on the thrown so I'll make this short."
OR
"Still doctoring those hemorrhoids, huh?"

Nothing is gonna be private.