UFC 83 - St. Pierre vs Serra

[Alpine_Sapper]

What has philosophy anything to do with saying..."i don't know" ?
I don't know if you have spent much time with soldiers...i have...and their answers are rarely as basic as this...i mean, Forest Gump might have said "because this is where they told me to go", but even forest Gump "followed" or anticipated, something that was completely abstract..."i just felt like running"..."i played ping pong all day"...etc...are all examples of a certain inspiration, that none of us can really pin down.
In many ways, we are where we are for reasons that mostly escape us...and what escapes us is mostly abstract...

As for paradoxes, there is nothing more paradoxical than a war....nothing.

You should have been a politician. You find ways to dance around spouting all kinds of rhetoric and never really say anything.

I've spent a lot of time with soldiers, being deployed, and most of them didn't wax philosophical about why they were there. They simply understood they were there because they were told to be. Sure, they may have been in the military because of some complex set of issues in their personal life, just about everybody was/is that ever enlisted. And I think that most soldiers have a pretty good understanding of the politics that got them to the warzone if they so choose to inform themselves. Otherwise they just didn't really give a damn.

And I'm not arguing whether war is or is not a paradox, it was more about the "paradoxical nature of the soldiers answer about why he's in a warzone". But whatever. I'm not really feeling another public throwdown in the forums over what essentially amounts to absolutely nothing, ultimately causing the mods to close the thread.

[awfoxden]

ridge wolf - thanks for the story.

this is a good example of what discusion and differences of opinion and being human engaged in dialog from all diferent walks of life brings. a gem - a nuget whatever you want to call it. stories and sayings that are common place to one that have never been heard of by another. this is just another of several nugetts i will put in my stash to be used with the boys i work with on a regular basis.

does ufc have anything to do with survival? it may or may not, but good information that does still finds its way into the discusion.

[Alpine_Sapper]

You are probably right...god forbid we would actually have a discussion. Calling it a throw down is a tad dramatic though, and if all of this amounted to nothing, you wouldn't have spent the time to make that statement.
As for politicians...well, you elect them...you breed them, you nurture them, you fashion them...not the other way around...and if you just had a hint of perspicacity, you would realize that i would make a lousy politician.

I don't know what "never really saying anything" means...i would guess that you mean you don't understand, or you can't understand what i say, or you simply do not care, but i will give you the benefit of the doubt, and go with what i say does not speak to you...which is ok of course.

Speaking is like cooking...you obviously do not like the taste of mine...and i find yours insipid and hermetic, the "meals in less than 10 minutes" method maybe...that is what most allow for their digestion also, and this world of yours, constantly searching for the fastest meal, will become more and more insipid...more and more fashioned for the MRE...

If you were looking for the paradox in the following answer: "because i was told to", look no further than the first word...be-cause, is indeed a paradox, and war without soldiers does not make much sense. So either way, there is still no greater paradox than war, for wars and soldiers are one. There is no "philosophy" behind what i am saying, nor my words are empty of condiments and perfumes from the deserts of your visions.
The word "abstract" or "paradox" does not exude the pleasures of sunday morning philosophy, they belong to a realm that is a lot closer to the heart of things than philosophy could ever be. Philosophy is an affair of the mind, a disease, brought on by the denaturalization and the dichotomies of our ever so present ideas and beliefs.

My cooking is not of philosophy, in fact, philosophy makes me laugh, except maybe a little Nietzsche on those rainy days when my mind wanders unchecked. You talk about philosophy and politics like you would throw on some salt and pepper in a soup already cold...i have no business in those two realms, and saying that soldiers or anyone understands the politics that govern our destinies, our lives, is making me smile.

I could obviously go on for hours...cooking and basting a meal your taste buds would probably never recognize.
I have no need for all those truths thrown in a microwave oven for 24 seconds...for the truths that do not flow from our flesh.
I dance, because if i stopped, you would forget how to dance.
I dance, because if i stopped, you would believe we have hungry wolves within us trying to dominate abstract ideas.
What a paradox...

rofl. All that pretty rhetoric to call me stupid, or how did you put it, without "a hint of perspicacity"...I have enough "perspicacity" to know that;

A: It took you all that to insult me, when most people can suffice with a simple one liner.

B: You need to spout that crap to make yourself feel intelligent to compensate for something else that's lacking in your life.

I'm sorry you're so unfulfilled in the other areas of your life that you need to come on here and try to make yourself feel more intelligent by trying to stuff as many $.50 words into a post as you can.

But since this has nothing to do with Wilderness Survival, I'm done with this conversation. Have a nice life.

[wareagle69]

most of you do not understand why some of us would choose to enter the cage as with anything in life for us it is because of this one thing

i became an airborne ranger-to challenge myself to see what i was capable of
i became a professional bullrider to challenge myself and to see what i was made of

i have a record of 6-1 in the mma scene because i wished to challenge myself and see what i was made of

i leave society and enter the bush for two weeks with limite supplies because i wish to challenge myself and see what i am made of..



i see myself as a warrior not to cause harm to others but to challenge myself when in these circumstances i do not ask myself why but why not do you not feel alive at this moment i choose not to sit on the front porch when i am 80 and say i wish i had...but rather will have a hot young nurse wheel me out to the front porch and smile in the fact that i have lived.

i hope this clears up for anyof you as to why some of us choose to fight whether in the armed forces or in the cage..


always be prepared-prepare all ways...

[wareagle69]

perspicous-adj plain to the understanding esp because of clairity and precision of presentation


well that certainly cleared it up

[Beo]

Personally, to me, Ultimate Fighting or MMA matches is not survival in the way I preceive it. Pitting two men in a ring to see which one will come out on top is of no use.
In the Ranger's we didn't pit ourselves against each other, we were professional soldiers, warriors, or whatever you wanna call it. Sure there was friendly competition but it was about doing the right thing and what my country sent me to do.
That being said I am a fight fan, and hope St. Pierre comes out on top. But to me its just entertainment. Having completed my training (boy was that long) I am back now, so I will be here from time to time when not serving warrants. My job has taken a new direction in being on the Sheriff's SRT and a duty day consists of serving high risk warrants and hunting fellon's in our county and backing local cops in townships and the city, as well as raiding drug houses or whatever comes up. The men I work with on SRT are the homefront warriors to me, and hero's all.
If anyone heard about the two Colerain Twp. Firefighters that died in a fire a week ago, I have been gone also for them, they were good friends and fellow emergency personal. But I'm back now!!! Muhhhhhaaaaaa!!!!

[wareagle69]

Isn't "challenging yourself" an other way of saying "discovering yourself" ?
Understanding your limits, your nature...your mind.
This challenge, is directed to your mind yes ?

Glad to see you are still around buddy.

now your talking semantics but yes you are quite correct i have always said that riding a bull is mental same as getting in a cage it is not a physical challange but a mental one i have beaten men that were better fighters than me probably all of them but i was able to get in their heads(that and way better cardio)

[wareagle69]

Personally, to me, Ultimate Fighting or MMA matches is not survival in the way I preceive it. Pitting two men in a ring to see which one will come out on top is of no use.
In the Ranger's we didn't pit ourselves against each other, we were professional soldiers, warriors, or whatever you wanna call it. Sure there was friendly competition but it was about doing the right thing and what my country sent me to do.
That being said I am a fight fan, and hope St. Pierre comes out on top. But to me its just entertainment. Having completed my training (boy was that long) I am back now, so I will be here from time to time when not serving warrants. My job has taken a new direction in being on the Sheriff's SRT and a duty day consists of serving high risk warrants and hunting fellon's in our county and backing local cops in townships and the city, as well as raiding drug houses or whatever comes up. The men I work with on SRT are the homefront warriors to me, and hero's all.
If anyone heard about the two Colerain Twp. Firefighters that died in a fire a week ago, I have been gone also for them, they were good friends and fellow emergency personal. But I'm back now!!! Muhhhhhaaaaaa!!!!

you are missing the point as to why most men get into the cage yes some are there for personal glory some for fame and fortune but most are there for the challenge the cage is just one outlet for it if mma did not exsist they would find other ways

[Beo]

There are other ways to challenge yourself, but I don't disagree with you I just don't see it as a form of survival, but that's just me. Now as far as pitting one fighter against another, I agree there is nothing better than the UFC except maybe for putting them in the street and getting rid of the rules. As I said I am a fight fan.
Or it may be that I challenge myself in other ways... yes that's more to what I meant.
But if that outlet works for them then great, especially cause I'm gonna watch.

[wareagle69]

but it is a form of survival- survival is 90 percent mental i think we will all agree on that so is riding a bull or fighting if you doubt yourself you are done in any aspect of life..

[BraggSurvivor]

I think that what George is doing is certainly survival. He started out in martial arts at 5 years old because he needed to protect himself. He was beaten up daily for his lunch money and clothes on his back. Sure it's entertainment now, but at the same time he built he way to the top. Surviving the octogon is survival in my books.

wareagle, if you even got in that ring (win or lose) my hat is off to you and you got some big huevos my friend.

[wareagle69]

naw not really i just always have talked allot of sh*t but always the first to back it up mean while always asking myself why i talk so much trash first guy to get ink in my company first to go aussie out of a blackhawk butmaybe thats why i do it cuz i forces my self to taes myself although not always the best thing to do gotten me in a few spots before also now tdw just says i'm boring cuz i only go into the bush but i think she also likes the spotlight of being my wife in those situations

[BraggSurvivor]

I got too pretty a face to get it all lumped up. Yea, thats it.

[wareagle69]

really hmmm see i didn't get that from your pics maybe i need a new moniter

[Alpine_Sapper]

I got too pretty a face to get it all lumped up. Yea, thats it.

So do YOU think St. Pierre is hungry enough to get it this time?

[BraggSurvivor]

So do YOU think St. Pierre is hungry enough to get it this time?

I think so, there should be no excuse this time. There is also a huge incentive to win as well.

St. Pierre would be the highest paid fighter based on his contract (Liddel holds $500K per fight now - win or lose) and win bonuses will double if he wins this fight to regain the title.

Nice thing about MMA though, as we seen before, it only takes one punch. You just never know.

[dilligaf2u2]

I think we have just reached an all time low with this one...coupled with the tacky jokes on the "survival tips" thread, we might finally succeed in rendering this forum into a shapeless dump for anything that crosses our minds.
Survival, is also and maybe primarily about moderation...


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Moderate your mind.

One fool beating another fool for money and caling it sport!

Don

[Sam]

Don't begin it if you ain't there to win it. It is a long way of saying give all you have to something ( family, country, religion, what have you) I have found that when I give all I have to something I win either way. But then I'm an ole' jarhead from Mississippi, what do I know.

[BraggSurvivor]

One fool beating another fool for money and caling it sport!

Don

What makes them fools Don? What do you do/did for a living?

[wareagle69]

One fool beating another fool for money and caling it sport!

Don

you are entitled to your opinions but coming from someone who has competed it is not about that maybe reread my earlier posts, have you ever talked to any competitors to see why they do it?