Survival Quest Camping Help - Multiple Month Survival in National Forest (CA)

[crashdive123]

Protogalaxy - you have absolutely no clue about the military. Please, do not even consider joining. With your last post, it seems that your quest to remove yourself from odors that make you ill was nothing more than a fantasy. Now you have moved to troll status.

[Seniorman]

PhotoGalaxy, if you want to go into the military, here is where you should go. These guys get to recreate outdoors in the boonies quite a bit and in some interesting environments ... plus, they get to play with all kinds of great toys!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...FRePXMI9M&NR=1

S.M.

[NightShade]

Protogalaxy - you have absolutely no clue about the military. Please, do not even consider joining. With your last post, it seems that your quest to remove yourself from odors that make you ill was nothing more than a fantasy. Now you have moved to troll status.

+1. ... I'd go even further though.. In addition to being a troll, you sir, are an assh*le

[Rick]

Let's not make it a personal attack. You can diss the message but not the messenger.

[protogalaxy]

I stand by what I said for a large majority of basic station. That's not the same for a lot of Officers, the Navy Buds, and special military ops like snipers and some marines.

I have an opinion and most of the people I've met are alcoholics, not really intellectuals, that doesn't mean they don't deserve respect for some of their jobs, but I'm just stating that it's not really my group. I have heard that no scents are allowed at basic training, and also not at that BUG training. I have a decent amount of physcial ability, I can climb ropes and poles without my legs, minus the last few months, I woke up every morning and ran 3-4 miles on sandy trails, including hills, sprints, and jumps. I've tired out dogs, but I know that a lot of the lower rank basic stations consists of alcohol and unihibited testosterone with little free thinking.

Sorry to offend any of you in the military, but I really don't care if you think I'm an asshole.

[Rick]

I would suggest it a bit hard to judge a group of people...any people...if you have not actually spent time there. Sort of like your comment on college. A lot of folks do it, but it isn't a rational, objective opinion. It's taking a few interactions and labeling an entire group. We used to call it discrimination. Today it's profiling or some such thing. The point is if you have not done X then you can not have any real opinion of X. That goes for people, places and doing things like wilderness camping. No doey, no opinion.

[JPGreco]

Thanks for the rep guys, I appreciate that my advice was appreciated.

Proto, I will say that your opinion on the military won't earn you any brownie points here as most, if not all, of us strongly support our servicemen and women, but I won't get into that here, troll or no troll.

I am willing to offer any advice you ask of me. The first bit was only offered because any post asking about running away is assumed to be a request for advice. I don't give advice without it being asked for though as much as I can avoid it. The reason being is if you ask for advice, you have to accept it no matter how much you may hate it. You don't have to agree with it, but you have to accept it as an honest assessment (honest may not equate to nice or pleasant). I can understand medical issues and depression/etc that stems from a variety of sources and the affect on one's mindset since I've gone through it at some level, though the wild was never my destination. The caveat, if you respond negatively to any advice you ask for, its over. Plain and simple.

[Sarge47]

I stand by what I said for a large majority of basic station. That's not the same for a lot of Officers, the Navy Bugs, and special military ops like snipers and some marines.

I have an opinion and most of the people I've met are alcoholics, not really intellectuals, that doesn't mean they don't deserve respect for some of their jobs, but I'm just stating that it's not really my group. I have heard that no scents are allowed at basic training, and also not at that BUG training. I have a decent amount of physcial ability, I can climb ropes and poles without my legs, minus the last few months, I woke up every morning and ran 3-4 miles on sandy trails, including hills, sprints, and jumps. I've tired out dogs, but I know that a lot of the lower rank basic stations consists of alcohol and unihibited testosterone with little free thinking.

Sorry to offend any of you in the military, but I really don't care if you think I'm an asshole.

Since you've never been in the military you are not really qualified to say anything credible about those who serve, or have served, so I didn't take it seriously. I have a grown son twice your age who served proudly in the USMC and he wouldn't think anything about you one way or the other. He served so that you would have a right to your opinion. I don't think that you are an Anus, just misguided.

[protogalaxy]

fair enough.

will update.

[Sparky93]

Have any of you survived in the wilderness for more than 2 weeks, off campground, finding your own source of water?

Or are you all just weekend hunters with plenty of money who fish at popular campsites?
And haul big game back in trucks?

I know a lot of people that only hunt on the weekends because they have to work for a living and the weekend is the only time they get to spend time outdoors. And because you load your deer in the bed of your truck your not a real hunter? Where I live you drag your deer out of the woods, load it in the bed of your truck and if it is a buck parade it around town to show all your buddies. A real hunter is someone that is proactive in the conservation of nature, abides all laws and regulations and follows all safety precautions, doesn't matter if he loads his deer in the bed of his truck....

And I am confused about the rules for storing wild game where you live, you can take it to a butcher shop and have them cut the meat into steaks and grind it into hamburger and you could store it where you live no different than the stuff you buy at the grocery store...

[kyratshooter]

Let's not make it a personal attack. You can diss the message but not the messenger.

After this guy attacks and insults EVERYONE that has served in the military and EVERYONE that has taken the trouble to work their butts off to get an education and EVERYONE that hunts when they are allowed to hunt by legal means we are supposed to "play nice".

After we do 20,000 intros with "thank you for your service" are we going to switch to spitting on them like they did when I served?

I have seen you guys bann people for half what this arrogant narcissist has gotten away with!

What is suddenly happening on this forum?

[BENESSE]

I have seen you guys bann people for half what this arrogant narcissist has gotten away with!

What is suddenly happening on this forum?

We tend to coddle the young, even when they're clueless & rude. Kind of reflects the wider society.

[finallyME]

First of all, I used to live in So Cal. I was in the military, and I have a college degree. I also spent 2 years in a foreign country learning the language and customs.

There is life outside So Cal. Many places in the US have jobs and fresh air. Look at Wyoming or North Dakota. They are hurting for young, strong workers. You would be working outside in fresh air, earning more money than a lot of college degrees pay. Natural Gas is booming, and they need workers. Since they need workers so bad, and they pay more, all the local businesses also need workers to fill the gap. In Wyoming, it is so bad that the local restaurants and shops will keep a worker on, even if he/she shows up drunk or stoned. There just isn't the supply to fill the demand. Wyoming, North Dakota, Eastern Utah, Colorado, New Mexico etc, are all experiencing the Natural Gas boom. All of these states have much cleaner air than So Cal. Just sayin....

Notice I said that those oil jobs pay more than a lot of college degrees, not all of college degrees. In fact, in that business, you still have the separation from college educated and non-college educated. The college educated get paid more. College is a business. They will give you the degree you want, as long as you pay. The problem lies when the degree you want isn't the degree employers want. The people camping out in city centers all picked the wrong thing to study. I saw these types of people in college. They were always doing rallies, or protests, or partying, or anything other than studying. If your degree doesn't require 60 hours a week study time with 12 hours of credits, then chances are, it is an easy one, with a low commercial value. The US is hurting right now for people with degrees in Engineering, Science and Math. We have to import workers from India and China to fill the void.

I got my first job out of college based on my grades and what was written on my resume. I didn't know anyone associated with my employer previous to working there. I got a job based on merit alone, no inside connections. You can do this as well, if you pick a good degree, and actually study. Incidentally, my boss told me that my military experience put me ahead of the other job candidates.

The military is full of lazy drunks. But, it is also filled with really bright, motivated people. Where you end up will be determined by what choices you make. If you are bright, motivated, and driven to succeed, then you will be surrounded by like minded people. The more you volunteer, the more you will rise above the rest. If you want to be lazy....well then.

Running into the woods won't solve your problems. My advice still stands. Leave So Cal by any means necessary.

[protogalaxy]

Saying I think college is just a business sham that is strongly undesirable to networking is not an insult, and I still don't really care.

Also, I asked for advice on people who survive for at least around a month, with no truck,

not weekend recreation where you go and "show all my buddies my deer." Just because you follow laws and can shoot an animal doesn't mean you deserve respect.

And I didn't say everyone in the military, I said the majority of basic level station. Officers, High level Marines, Navy Buds, Snipers, deserve respect.

Vietnam war veterans deserve respect.

But the military isn't what it used to be, it's full of beer pong playing, ignorant wanna-be machos who couldn't think for themselves if Lao Tzu came down from the heavens and slapped them with a philosophy book.

If you did something great in the military, good for you. You're not the only reason I'm here.

I respect the people who've been in battle,

but right now, it is mostly drunken affghanistan tent parties, racist young men harassing Eastern civilians, and a war that isn't really protecting our homeland, but just flexing USA's power.

There is a difference between a hero and a follower, who doesn't has some false sense of entitlement due to the news and previous service-men who do deserve respect.

I really, really, don't give a **** if you disagree with my opinion.

You think I'm clueless, I think you're clueless.

Sorry to jolt your previous way of thinking, and fear based conformism.

And by fear based conformism, I mean, people who are scared to go against certain opinions because
they know they will be looked down upon by all the other people who don't truly think, but are really just defending some sort of narcissism themselves.

I think you have a false sense of pride, and once again, I'm entitled to my opinion, if people get banned over this, I really, really, don't give a ****.

There are tons of people who drag themselves to work hard everyday, or push their bodies to the limit, without being in the military, sometimes while sufferening much harder financial and family hardship.

I bet you only pay attention the television news.

Continue drinking your beer and watching the history channel.

[Sarge47]

Enough is enough. People on here have tried to give you what you want and you still attack them. Good luck elsewhere.

[wildWoman]

My problem with this issue is the way in which it is approached. I appears to me that people now come from "Survival", ie "Survival Camping", etc..

In my day (starting in mid 1950's, I was born 1947) we wanted to be "Outdoorsmen" or "Woodsmen". We respected and revered men and women who were "Comfortable" in the wilderness. They never thought about survival because the wilderness was NOT trying to kill them. I would strongly encourage youth (Anyone under 30 y/o) to forget about survival stuff as their first filter, and aspire to become comfortable living in the wilderness. The secret is Time spent with "Your Boots in the Field". Forget all the TV survival camping crap.

+1
I wanted to give you rep for this but have to spread the love around first.

@protogalaxy: take bear spray. And you don't need woolen underwear.

[finallyME]

I figured his last comment would do him in.

[hunter63]

I real supprised y'all put up with this guy for 4 pages, and #77 posts........Goes to show ya, all lost puppies can't be saved....

[finallyME]

You can leed a horse to water......

[Kamel]

but you cant make him take a bath? j/k I know the real end.