Calibre Suggestions

[Beo]

"Scandium snubnose 4 bore" Isn't that a pistol your talking about, scandium ore, why do you like it so much Hopeak. And you aren't shooting anything 7 miles away.
I am not a big game hunter but I have camped in bear country and been closer to them than I ever desired to be. So, the following is a moderately informed opinion, but not what you’d call expert advice, and if Yogi gets you on your next trip to Jellystone, don’t blame me. A note on grizzly bears: they are smart, strong, mean, bulky, motivated and fast. The grizzly bear is the one predator in North America that truly inspires terror in my heart. No matter what you can do, he can do it better. He or she can be merciless in defending turf or litter, and may just kill you for kicks.

[Sourdough]

Got me of them'thar Freedom Arms Belt buckles with the 5 shot .22LR revolver in the buckle. You just press the button and the revolver comes right out. It has a 1" barrel. It will shoot 1000 yards. Make a great moose revolver. Put a 4 1/2 X 14 power scope on that puppy, You be all set.

[Beo]

Because expert hunters with their hard-hitting revolvers were able to bring down bears with a .357 Magnum or a pistol at all, does that mean that your Scandium framed 2” snubnose with wussy off-the-shelf loads will be able to do the same? Probably not. The expert hunter stalks the prey and takes the shot from the optimal range and angle. Ideally, the bear does not even know he’s in danger. If you are hiking a trail and come upon a bear unexpectedly, you will not have the advantages of position, concealment and surprise. You will be drawing quickly and trying to get a shot off against a rapidly moving animal that may weigh 800 lbs. or so, and with a gun having considerably less power than the revolvers upon which the legend was built. In this scenario, the chances of getting a rapidly disabling hit on the bear drop to next to nothing. Unless you are extremely lucky, the bear is going to win this one. The .357 Magnum has the penetration to reach vital organs in the bear, but what are the chances of making that shot in an emergency?
In this observer’s humble opinion, the .357 Magnum is marginal at best for protection against bears. I would want something considerably larger. In handguns, the .44 Magnum would be my baseline. A 12 gauge Express Magnum loaded with slugs would be a lot better.

[Sourdough]

"Scandium snub nose 4 bore" Isn't that a pistol your talking about, scandium ore, why do you like it so much Hopeak. And you aren't shooting anything 7 miles away.
I am not a big game hunter but I have camped in bear country and been closer to them than I ever desired to be. So, the following is a moderately informed opinion, but not what you’d call expert advice, and if Yogi gets you on your next trip to Jellystone, don’t blame me. A note on grizzly bears: they are smart, strong, mean, bulky, motivated and fast. The grizzly bear is the one predator in North America that truly inspires terror in my heart. No matter what you can do, he can do it better. He or she can be merciless in defending turf or litter, and may just kill you for kicks.

BEO, It just my job to regurgitate some mindless hogwash, let the readers sort it out. This is a form. I can talk about stuff I have no grasp of. A good derringer 3 1/2" 10 Gage.

[Beo]

You are so damn silly... lol... you crack me up. You'll get that youngster killed.

[Sourdough]

Not my problem. I thought this was a serious educational site, and that we were seriously trying to be helpfull.

Chris made it clear yesterday that this is a form, even stupid people like me who don't know a caliber from a cartridge, or some who think caliber and cartridge is a different word for the same thing, can post anything. As long as I don't call names I can miss lead, post deceptive data, who cares if someone get hurt.

[Beo]

Hopeak, its a FORUM not form, and you would feel like a stuck turd in drain if he got hurt using bad advise from you.

[Sourdough]

Hopeak, its a FORUM not form, and you would feel like a stuck turd in drain if he got hurt using bad advise from you.

Rick, BEO hurt my feeling. I think, well actually I am not sure.

BUT THAT BEO IS THE POINT I TRIED TO MAKE YESTERDAY. And why I have been behaving like a Jackass (I think that word is OK because it is a real animal). We do have a responsibility.

[trax]

Marcraft, as uncomfortable as I've become with the notion of you carrying firearms...you're in Canada dude, take a look around some pawn shops and gun dealers. You can probably pick up a WW2 issue .303 (there's your British) for a lot less money than the rifles your talking about that will serve you just as well or better than anything I've seen listed here and will certainly give you better shot groupings than what you first stated, as long as you can shoot. You want low noise? Forget it, on all of them, not going to happen, but like MW said, the critter's gonna be dropping before it hears the shot.
Oh yeah, and the 6.5 mm is slightly larger than a .243, very good trajectory, fast, flat, far flying. It's the rifle that Lee Harvey Oswald used when he shot Kennedy. If you ask who Lee Harvey Oswald and Kennedy are, I'll kick your ***.

[canid]

i gotta concur here. if you want low signature, go rimfire. if rimfire won't meet your need, go loud, though of course a 308 will be easier on the ears than a 7-mag.

[Beo]

Or use your rubberband gun, it shoots good and is very quiet.

[canid]

wait; i see a niche for compressed air flechette gun hunting here.

[sorry to get off track, i couldn't help myself]

[Beo]

slap a few more rubberbands on it and you got yourself a scatter gun

[go2ndAmend]

If you plan on moose huning and taking shots out to 400 yards, the 30-06 would be the absolute minimum cartridge I would consider. I don't hunt moose, but I do hunt elk and the setup I've settled on is a Remingon 700 in 300 Winchester Mag. topped off with a Swarovski 4-14x scope. The .25-06 and the .270 would kill a moose PROVIDED the shot placement was close to perfect. They are too small a cartridge to consider buying a rifle in those calibers for a moose gun.

[beerrunner13]

Come on he killed a bear with a single shot .22 while turkey hunting I think one of Don's sling shots should do the trick and it won't hurt his little ears.

[go2ndAmend]

Maybe he could pack in a few moose decoys and wait in a tree with his rambo knife. no kick (except the moose) and nice and quite too. Kinda hard to jump 800 yards to the moose though!

[carcajou garou]

At 16, get yourself a .22lr and get hares, patridges...etc when your skill level accrues then look into a more powerfull cartridge/rifle combination that you can handle.

[FVR]

Ahhh...........hunting with a knife. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


My wife won't let me do that. I want to take my Kabar or the Bowie and sneak into hog tunnels and get one that way. What a rushhhhhhhh! I mean, it's either you, or the hog. You have a knife, he has two, you have balls, his are bigger, you have clothes, he has a thick hide. I can get mean, but mean enough to take a hog down?

Wife once said in a conversation with others when we were speaking of hog hunting, If you really wanted to hunt hogs, do it with a knife neked.

I asked her, if she would really let me, she looked around at the woman, no honey as she turned and mumbled to the woman, he'd do it.

Ya'll just keep them little pellet shooters, ya better be a good shot. 12 gauge slug and buckshot will put a hurting on a critter, you can miss and hit their leg..........

Ooops, I missed. Look, no leg.

[Rick]

Is the wild turkey out tonight, Frank? I think I hear him gobblin'.

[NavyENC]

Ok boys, for those of you that haven't heard, the hot rounds for shooting @ 1000 yds is the 260 Rem, 260 Ackley Improved, and the 6.5/284. Most of the NRA long range matches have been won with these lately. Of course the 308 and the good old 30-06 will still hold their own. For me it would be either of thr latter, ammo easy to come by anywhere.