Fighting in the streets for food....

[BraggSurvivor]

Coming to a market near you:

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...7572%2C00.html

[dilligaf2u2]

I want to say something but it will come out I am heartless.

The world will come to a balance. It will repair itself. One way is to remove the excesses that are a drain on the limited resources. People could and should be counted as an excess. Mother Nature has a way to balance this excess. It is called starvation.

Can India produce enough food to feed all its people. If not; it is time to remove the excess. How many children on average does an African woman have? Saying I will not have children, till I know I can feed them, might salve some of their problems?

I feel for the children. Not so much; I would see my grand children starve rather then them. It is time some of these hands out people took responsibility for their lot in life and the price for their choices in life. No one comes into this world with a tag on their toe saying they have a right to this or that. The choice to have children can not and should not be a matter of, you are here so you have the right to be taken care of.

Riots over food! Here are some examples of people blaming a government for choices they have made. I was in my early 30's before I had a child. I had an education and a way to care for him. I did not have 14 children and expect someone else to give me hand outs to care for them. I wonder how many of the rioters went to their mothers and fathers and said "why did you have a or several children if you could not care for them"?

I know some religions say "go forth and multiply" but I bet not one says go forth and be stupid, for someone will come and take care of you.

Don

[BraggSurvivor]

Yes Don, you are a heartless Basturd.

[Beo]

I agree Don.

[Rick]

Have you guys ever heard of Darfur or Chad?

[bulrush]

I don't know how many kids the average African has, but keep in mind they have been farming over there for over 4000 years. Plus with the climate change, increased temperatures, and decreased water, makes it hard to grow your own food.

The US is in a better position because it is in a more mild climate, has more fresh water, and can therefore grow its own food if need be.

But yes, if you don't control the population growth, you will soon have more people than a country can feed. Of course, the average individual does not realize this, and continues to have babies with no thought for the future. (See how many single mothers in the US are on welfare because they cannot feed their own children.)

While education moves population growth control slightly in the right direction (downward) it doesn't help all that much. People still have babies if they feel like it.

And then we come to the root of the problem. People don't act because they think things through, they act because something makes them feel good. They act based on feelings rather than logic. And that leads to lots and lots of problems, like overpopulation, wars, land abuse (abusing the land so you can't grow a single thing on it), etc.

[dilligaf2u2]

bulrush : "And then we come to the root of the problem. People don't act because they think things through, they act because something makes them feel good. They act based on feelings rather than logic. And that leads to lots and lots of problems, like overpopulation, wars, land abuse (abusing the land so you can't grow a single thing on it), etc."

The idea that I can eat, gives me such a thrill. I might have to eat oatmeal without sugar or milk but I will be eating. The cracked wheat makes a bland food but I will still be eating. Most people consider not what they need but what they want and the future will take care of itself. They can always go to the food bank and call their government area representative for more to be brought in. Ask the people affected by Katrina how well that worked!

Demand for food will rise. As it dose, the cost will rise. I am buying it now and caning it for 10 years of storage. Yes it will be safe where I have it. I am using the stuff that is 8 yrs old and replacing it before I use what I have. Just for the heck of it, I have gotten bullion cubes in different flavors. This is to add flavor to the basic foods.

A jar of 325 Vitamins with Minerals is stored in each bathroom and on my desk and in the BOB's and in the pack. All have a 10 year shelf life.

If it comes to it. Pandemic will follow starvation and I feel, more then know, that this will take as many people as starvation will. Perhaps more. Vitamin's will help support our immune system, even without a proper diet.

Here in New Mexico you do not need a prescription for penicillin. I have some stored in the freezer. It only have a one to two year shelf life even when sealed and froze but once a year I replace it. For minor infections and for that just in case time. It is not cheep but better safe then sorry.

Don

[palerider]

some say it's time to change the world. change? why? i like the death i like the destruction it's what keeps me employed.

[crashdive123]

OK palerider, you've got me curious. What is it that you do?

[Rick]

And I certainly hope you were joking about liking death regardless of your occupation.

[BraggSurvivor]

"No one comes into this world with a tag on their toe saying they have a right to this or that."

Well yes..."they" are called children.
The time of Spartan is over.
...Maybe not for everyone...

And just to respond to the myth itself about population growth...the entire population of the world can fit within the state of Texas, with a lesser population density than New York city.

You cannot compare your journey, your culture, your choices, to others born in a very different place. There is enough food for all of us on this planet, it's just a fact.
Now, blaming less fortunate people for threatening our way over the top comfort is shady..."blaming" children is down right "Spartanic".

Children do have a tag on their toes saying they have the right to food and water...it is not like they are asking for a TV and a nintendo...not even a table or a blanket...just food and water. They are not asking for your children to starve in their place...or even electricity...just food and water.

There was a time on this planet where borders did not exist...maybe it is from this attitude that will arise the need for this earth to remind us...that any child born on this earth is our child...for it is to our children that the promises of life are made.

Right on Remy......your a wise man.

[canid]

well, you can hardly be a successful mortician without a healthy appreciation of death and mayhem; you'd be out o work too much...

[wareagle69]

uh rick
maybe when trax gets here he can help you out with that one, pale rider is or can be very cryptic at times(occcupational hazard) but go back to an 80's movie for that quote might help out crashdive also figure out the answer to his question that is all i can say..

[Rick]

There is an article in today's Indianapolis Star that is right in line with this thread. It also does an excellent job of putting in balance the complexities of macro economics. In this case in the farming industry.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...NESS/803090364

[Ole WV Coot]

Once again I get to show my ignorance of the "big picture". I know it's hard to believe but a few of us are actually happy and content. I prepare for natural disasters and the usual, accidents, getting lost, personal defense etc. I just can't understand the end of the world concept. I have been in a few bad places, got a few scars, some that won't heal but for the life of me I can't understand this paranoia. I guess ignorance is truly bliss.

[dilligaf2u2]

Rick : http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...NESS/803090364

And who do you think will be able to afford to pay the rising costs?

I do not consider myself a doom and gloom follower. I pray that I am so far off base that I get laughed at in 5 or 10 years.

Lets be honest; None of us knows what is going on. There was a time you could make an educated guess. Now there are so many veritable that a very ruff guess is as close as you can get. Planing for "what if" is just as easy as guessing what the world is up to next! Planing for the worse and it never come seems better then not planning for it and it comes.

A very good friend puts it this way! "I would rather live my life believing there is a God and then finding out there is not. Then living like there is not a God and finding out there is one and he is PO'ed at me!"

That is what makes life so much fun. All the choices we get to make. Oh and Bacon!

Don

[BraggSurvivor]

I often step out onto the back porch, breathe in a few lungfulls of fresh air, look up into the sky and look at the horizon and can tell what the weather will be like in the days to come. I bring out the warm clothes for winter, shorts for summer and rain jackets for spring and fall. I prepare for the weather forecast accordingly.

Thats what I do with world news. I look at the world economies, past histories, weather patterns, wars, pestilences, morality ect. and prepare accordingly. I dont like the doom and gloom like everyone else but I have to go on the facts. I cant bury my head in the sand and pretend its not happening around me. If SHTF a survival whistle will be useless to me.
I really do hope all will be well and that the world has its way of flushing the system so everything will come back better but I cant take that chance with my families lives.

Its my job as the husband/father in my family to do what I think is right, to lead by example and to teach my kids how to survive in a ever worsening society. I also feel its my duty to forewarn my extended family and friends or whoever else that has an ear to hear about what may come in the future.

Look at the horizon and tell me what you see.....


Ahhhh, I feel better now.

[Rick]

My point exactly, Don. The point of the article is that while costs are escalating in a specific sector (grain futures) there are people in the industry that are reaping significant profits from it. You could make similar comparisons with the housing bubble. Folks such as collection agencies, auctioneers and even investors are making money when houses are foreclosed. That's just the nature of free enterprise.

As to your question, we will. You and I. And we will continue to pay higher prices on all commodities not just because of a single incident such as rising grain prices but because inflation forces higher prices on all of us. Oh, yea, that little thing called profits and greed plays into, too. Remember the 15 cent stamp? $1.25 gas? or a gallon of milk for $2.16? That was just 1980! By the way, inflation was a staggering 13.5% in 1980 (4.28% in February) and unemployment was 5.8% (it was 4.8% in February).

Sources:
1980 prices: http://www.1980sflashback.com/1980/Economy.asp
Inflation: http://www.inflationdata.com/Inflati...tInflation.asp
Unemployment numbers: http://www.bls.gov/

[Canadian-guerilla]

2008: The year of global food crisis

" The global drive for a new green fuel to power cars, lorries and planes is worsening world food shortages and threatening to make billions go hungry "


the biofuels " push " may lead to the death of millions

[BraggSurvivor]

Good read, thanks Cg.