On the metal water bottle make certain it is NOT double walled. If you put that on the fire it will explode or at least pop a seam if it has one.
On the metal water bottle make certain it is NOT double walled. If you put that on the fire it will explode or at least pop a seam if it has one.
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I prefer a multi-tool to the SAK. I carry the Gerber but the Leatherman and the SOG are also good tools. Your going to want a tarp on your list (at least, I would want one on mine). They are good for fast shelter and they are light. It really sucks when all your stuff is wet. Also, a fire is going to be a pain if thats your only heat source for 20 days x every meal! A jetboil or something similar will be worth thinking about.
One more thing, make sure you follow the game laws and have licenses that you need to take any animal. It isnt really a survival situation if your "plan A" is to kill and eat stuff once you get there...
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
This statement bothers me more than anything else, and indicates that you are no where near ready for your journey. Not trying to talk you out of it, and I truly wish you well. If you are not willing to put some field time in for a journey like this you are setting yourself up for failure. Since you will not help yourself, I cannot offer any advice to you (not that it would really matter).Originally Posted by payne
5,000 KM in 20 days? Did I read and calculate this correctly? 250 KM/day?
I think the advice about shorter training sessions prior to this very large endeavor is something you need to think about. Skill development, kit validation, mental fitness, etc.
When Wealth is Lost, Nothing is Lost;
When Health is Lost, Something is Lost;
When Character is Lost, ALL IS LOST!!!!!!!
Colonel Charles Hyatt circa 1880
Well dried birch tree smokes very little.
Honestly I would swap that frying pan to a kettle of some sort, or to a German style mess kit. Guests can not see images in the messages. Please register in the forum.
That gives you a small frying pan, kettle(more boiling capacity) coon proof storage and so on and it'll be light too when you take aluminium one. Since you'll be hiking you want to think multi use items to eliminate excess weight. And get a titanium spork!
Survival is not about surviving AGAINST the nature. It's about surviving WITH the nature.
You can't go in to nature, nature is not a place or an object. Nature just is. You are living it.
Payne
Let me start by saying that I totally agree with Crash in post 23. I recommend that you prepare for your trip.
You state that you are too bust with your studies which implies that you feel that it is necessary for you to prepare for your chosen field of study. You have been given tools books, software, hardware to do this and instruction time to give you a chance to become proficient in the knowledge and use of those tools. By your implication. stressing your studies as being important, I assume that you do not like the idea of going into a test without having studied and practiced the what you have learned. You wish to be successful in your classes therefore you study avoiding failure. I commend you on your attitude for your studies.
Your attitude toward your "Survival journey" is a contradiction to your studies.
You plan on collecting information, tools and choose to go take your Survival TEST Journey, without the study and practice.
I like you am arrogant in that I feel that I can do just about anything I put my mind to.
I repair my car using a repair manual, and purchase the tools I need. I am not an auto repair mechanic.
Here is what I have learned and accept for gaining the experience.
It will take me at least twice as long then a mechanic due to lack of experience. Not a big deal.
You will take at least twice as long as someone with experience. It could be a real big deal if you become injured and have to stop bleeding.
I must reference the book despite reading it several times the night before and still have to pause to understand how it applies to the actual part.
You plan on having some references field guide. A reference is just that something you fall back on the enforce your knowledge. Its a bit late to be using it as a work book. How's that sprained ankle doing.
On occasion I need another tool or I'm missing a part in the middle of the repair. Not a big deal more time wasted.
you wouldn't know that you forgot to purchase that optional part for the new wonder gadget until you use it. I have encountered new products that are missing parts from its packaging. Waiting until you are in the field to try new gear can be surprising.
Sometimes I have to call a buddy for advice. Not a big deal.
Well..... You probably can't.
I sometimes make mistakes and sometimes have to re do things. Not a big deal I have some time and a spare car.
Well if you aren't practiced you may encounter the negative side of the learning curve.
You should put the same effort in to your trip that you are putting into your studies.
Check out the links below
British Columbia SAR statistics 2010:
Located Alive 1400
Located deceased 80
Not Located 55
If SAR is sent out to find you 8.8% chance you won't come out alive.
BC Search And Rescue excellent site for you to begin your research.
http://www.bcsara.com/stats.php#
Check out Adventure Smart link under the heading prevention on the above site I have provided it below incase you cant find it or don't have time to look.
English http://www.adventuresmart.ca/land/hiking.htm
French http://www.adventuresmart.ca/french/land/hiking.htm
Lots of great info there are tabs for Hiking, hunting, survive outside, trip safety.... Great stuff.
I'm going to look for our local SAR site to see what goodies they have for my area.
Karl
The quality of a person's life is in direct proportion the the effort he puts into whatever field of endeavor he chooses. Vincent T Lombardi
A wise man profits from the wisdom of others.
Are you going to leave a trip plan with anyone? Do you plan to check in on a regular basis? Have you established any communication plan that says if I don't contact you by X call SAR?
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Excellent post ! rep sent .
Bunch o you guys got me on ignore, huh. LOL.
This is another kid wandering off into the woods without a clue. I'm with Crash. The advice he doesn't want, is the most important. Field practice first.
+1
I agree with Crash. You sound like you know all about this, yet you keep asking for advice; then, when you get it, discard it. I haven't quite decided yet if you're a troll or a numpty. organize your list under the 4 essentials,that way you stay focused. I think you think you know it all already so I, like Crash, am done here.
SARGE
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Albert Einstein
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Benjamin Franklin
I thought Poncho was the same as a Tarp. It's indeed a Tarp I intend on bringing. (Somehow, the Army's Guide seems to always talk about 'poncho' when it really is a 'tarp'.)
5000 Km of hitch-hike in 2 weeks, approximatively. Then I go tree planting for 1-2 months, then I do the 20 days of survival.
I thought I was clear. If not, sorry. At least, I know I've said it properly in my Introduction post. =P
Taken in note: thanks! =D
Okay, I must clarify some things I guess. =P
First of all, I'm far from putting effort into my studies: I usually start studying for exams approximatively 24 hours the exam, which is far from sufficient if I base myself on what professors ask us to do (not to mention that I miss a lot of courses, and never do homeworks except for the exam's study-session). All my time is in fact taken by my implication in different committees: I am the 'general coordinator' (big boss) of 2 of them, and I am also an active member of 4 others committees... if you're wondering, that is -a lot-. Rare are the people that even give some time to one committee. So there goes all my time. My week-ends are filled with tasks to do related to those committees (writing minutes, organizing activities, answering the mailing box, managing the multiple projects, etc.).
Secondly, I say I will not have time to practice/use any gear before leaving. It's not exactly true, it was mostly to emphasize, however, on the fact that this whole organization would be done fast.
I will have approximatively 6 days free after the end of my school session to practice some skills. After that, I leave home and will probably not get to buy any new gear on the route. But still, I will have -plenty- of time to get used to it: 2 weeks of hitch-hiking, and 4-8 weeks of tree planting... that gives me a lot of time in the ''soft'' wilderness.
And about the 'field notes', I mostly only note down the things that are very case-per-case or that I would otherwise have had to learn 'by hearth'. For example, how to treat snake bits... that's really not the kind of stuff I'd want to rely on my memory since it fails so bad. =P
I'm leaving a trip plan to my parents, but once I leave home, I do not intend on contacting anyone for months. I'll contact my father so he can send me my bike once I return from that 'survival trip', but since I do not have any precise date, nor determined length, he won't be waiting for my call at any precise time.
I guess my partner will be the one that will organize the 'rescue' part of the trip since the whole thing happens near his house. I have no fear about it, though, and you shouldn't. Don't think I'm just a retarded foolish young boy that will run naked in the woods hoping to pass 43209543 days without problem. I'm extremely rational, and do not intend on intentionally dying there (yet I am prepared mentally, knowing it's not just a kid's game).
I do not have any plan to offer for the 'in case of need of rescue' for now, but we -will- have one: don't worry about it, seriously.
I haven't discarded any advice... I explained my position on every single advice given on this thread.I agree with Crash. You sound like you know all about this, yet you keep asking for advice; then, when you get it, discard it. I haven't quite decided yet if you're a troll or a numpty. organize your list under the 4 essentials,that way you stay focused. I think you think you know it all already so I, like Crash, am done here.
For the ''4 essentials'', I simply asked how it could be relevant, yet no one answered, and since I personally consider it to be irrelevant in this case, I will not do so. It's pretty clear which item could be classed in which category. =/
No one told me why I should get a Jetboil instead of just boiling my water with a casserole. Rationally, to me, the Jetboil just looks like extra-weight.
A troll reading through 400 pages of a survival guide just to spoil a fake equipment list would be extremely determined. ;o
In resume: it looks like you are a lot to under-estimate my capacities to organize this trip, and you also seem forget that I am not alone working on this...
I believe my questions were clear in the OP:
''Too huge? Unrealistic? Unfitting? Comment.
If you could give your advice on whether or not you consider the "{Optional?}" marked items as being optional, it'd be great.
And finally, what should the First Aid Kit contain?''
Everything has its time. I'm currently working on the equipment list. Don't think that because I only talk about this aspect of the journey that I am only thinking about this one. ^_^
Last edited by payne; 04-19-2011 at 09:29 PM.
As for the SAK, the "Camper," the "Hiker", the "Hunter," or a lockblade "Hunter," or "Equestrian" will handle just about any needs you might have for a smaller knife.
Condom??? I'd forget that if I were you, unless your partner is a hot little babe who likes to snuggle in the leaves. If it's for carrying water or such, get a couple of one gallon ZipLok bags and reinforce the bottom edges with duct tape. A ZipLok bag will work much, much more efficiently than a condom for water.
As others said, get a small pot with lid to boil your water, and cook some of your food. While you're at it, make certain you have a way to clean your cooking gear after use. Unclean pans and pots and cups, etc., can easily lead to food poisoning ... and that is the last thing you want out in the woods, far from medical help. A small bottle of liquid soap can save you all kinds of misery.
EDIT:PAYNE - "And finally, what should the First Aid Kit contain?''
Do you have any First Aid training?? If not, you'd be wise to find a Red Cross course where you are going to school and take the course. First Aid is not something you want to try and learn "on the spot" in an emergency situation. If you have a First Aid kit and do not know how to use it, it's practically worthless.
Good luck.
S.M.
Last edited by Seniorman; 04-19-2011 at 11:12 PM. Reason: Added suggestion.
Since we "shouldn't worry about it" I think no more advice should be given,using the search function on the site will answer some of your questions,if not all.
Your attitude towards most advice already given is pretty poor,you came here asking for advice from people who have "been there,done that" and know that of which they speak.sounds like you are not getting your ego stroked,these guys are not gonna do that for you ....
Soular powered by the son.
Nell, MLT (ASCP)
Payne, No worries then, thanks for the clarification.
Karl
The quality of a person's life is in direct proportion the the effort he puts into whatever field of endeavor he chooses. Vincent T Lombardi
A wise man profits from the wisdom of others.
Thanks. =)
What about you read properly what I'm writing?
I'm saying I do not want advices on the rescue part since I haven't started preparing it yet. I created this thread to receive inputs on my equipment list.
My attitude toward the advices related to the Original Post are perfectly fine. But yes, I do reject help on the rescue part. And it's really not as if it's hard to plan that part: it's a matter of saying where you'll be, when you should come back, and have a way to call for emergency at any time.
Are you waiting from me to be sorry for asking explanations on some advices? Because I am not: it's perfectly rational.
Last edited by Sarge47; 04-20-2011 at 07:23 AM. Reason: removed inflamatory remark.
just watch man vs wild,,,, BG will teach you everything you need to know..
(just be sure to take a crew along with you and extra shampoo for the motel room)
Yup: I intend on cooking fishes right next to my shelter, drink my own pee whenever I can because its acidity kills bacterias and its thus safer than water, and silently move during the night without any light to sneak behind bears without them seeing me.
Good plans are good. =D
And this can be your theme song,,,,,, Performed by,,,,,, you guessed it,, The BG's
Go for it!!!
After a certain point, you've got to go out and do it, your way. At this point you know all you need to know, the rest is discovery.
Now it's "$hit or get off the pot" time. Hope that makes sense in "Canadian."
Well payne, I vote that you go for it. Really, just go do what you want to do. Your more likely to get hurt flying or driving to western Canada. You seem like a sensible young man to me. Just speaking of my choice, I would rather see you concentrate on becoming a good "Woodsman" who just enjoys being in the wilderness. I personally think all this "Survival-ism" crap is just a passing novelty, like bungee jumping, or 24 hour dance contests, it is just the current hip thing. In the long run over a lifetime, you will be better served to become a "Woodsman or "Outdoorman" or Wilderness explorer who is comfortable being alone with God in His/Her wilderness.
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