Survival kits info.

[marberry]

someone likes fire... , and i like the big knife , what is it? never been a fan of opinel knives but they get the job done.

[marberry]

the pellet rifle was a benjamin sheridan Super Streak 22 by crosman, it shoots a 25 grain .22 pellet at 1300 fps thats about 100 footpounds of energy. about 3 months ago i sold it to a friend for $250. im fairly sure cabelas sells it and there is also a .177 version that shoots at around 1700 fps (so im told)

[coldkill13]

Thanks Rick. I'll try it as soon as I get the time and I'll test it with alcohol and let ya know how it works. As far as survival goes I guess anything is better than nothing but for camping I think you might just wanna carry an alcohol/white gas/propane stove. My questions would be; would you be better off simply carrying a candle instead of parrafin? What about a can of Sterno? How hot can you get water over an average camp candle or a Sterno can? Again, I'll try it if I get the time.

[Rick]

I have an MSR Pocket Rocket for no fire areas. I also carry tea candles and I have an alcohol Trangia stove. I just made the paraffin stove to see what it would do. I had thought about getting a Sterno Stove to test.

http://www.acehardware.com/sm-sterno...i-1292353.html

I probably don't have to tell you but be careful with the alcohol. It burns with no visible flame.

[mbarnatl]

I find that the blue label "Heet Gas-line antifreeze & water remover" works best for my alcohol stove. Less smut when burning.

Sterno does a good job. Used Sterno for years, also used esbit as well. The alcohol stove will burn at higher altitudes than Sterno and esbit.

[Rick]

How in the world did you figure out to use Heet for your stove? I sort of see a bottle on the bench next to the stove and after a few beers.......

[mbarnatl]

It was recommended for my type alcohol stove by the designer of it. He recommends several types, but the HEET works the best.

[mbarnatl]

Plus if you read the back of the bottle it contains Methyl Alcohol.

[coldkill13]

Alright, I bought some rubbing alcohol (70%) and did the test. I didn't have a shoepolish tin so I cut the bottom 1.5-2 inches off a beer can. I poured about 2oz rubbing alcohol in and inserted a piece of carboard toilet paper tube cut to just above the level of the alcohol in the can. The 'heater' took a flame very easily. I was watching it too see how long it burned for but I got bored and decided to shovel the sidewalk and driveway. After about 10 minutes I came back and it was still burning. I watched it for about 5 more minutes and it died. The overall burn time was about 20 minutes. I'd give it an A in my book. I also tested it without the toilet paper tube, but it kept going out. So overall, if you find yourself lost in the woods with a bottle of high proof alcohol in the winter (not a good combination), or just camping/hiking/etc., it will make a great heater/stove. I did not test whether or not it would boil water though. (For a truly warming sensation from the inside out, just drink the alcohol!)


p.s. I dont actually recomend drinking the alcohol (especially if your lost in the woods in the middle of winter) Incase anyone was getting any ideas...

[coldkill13]

Seriously, DONT! (wouldn't want any lawsuits)

[Two Rivers]

Reading these posts, I had to chuckle. Survival ? This is kinda like a tour of each vehichle in a retirement RV park in Florida. You have everything you need including the kitchen sink, to get by pretty comfortably in any situation. These are all to be comended and I totally agree with being prepared when out and about. A better way to test yourslf would be to test your knowledge. Do Not take all these preps. See if you can get by 1, 2, 3 days, a week or two with what you normally carry in your pockets. Nature provides all that is needed to survive IF you have the knowledge and the skills. All these things would be luxuries in a true survival situation. Can you survive?

[Rick]

My light bulb went dim again. This is about survival kits. So I dump everything out except what's in my pockets, head to the woods for a week. Day 3 rolls around and I get caught in a blizzard and need my survival kit...Oh, wait! It's at home. So I die in the woods finding out I couldn't survive without it. What's the purpose of trying to do it without your kit? You have redundancy built in just in case you need it. The survival kit is to ENSURE you survive. He** yea, I want luxuries. I'd want a wood stove but it's too heavy to carry. I'd want a room in the Hilton but it's too far away. You can go and test your knowledge and skills all you want. I want to make certain I get home alive.

[trax]

I'd think that if you're not going to take the basics for surviving, well you don't want to get out there and find out that your skills/knowledge are lacking. For those people who do, I'd also like to recommend bungee jumping in Australia, hey it's quicker than freezing to death or starving....

[Rick]

Since that's in the Southern Hemishpere would you jump Up and bungee pull you back Down?

[trax]

Since that's in the Southern Hemishpere would you jump Up and bungee pull you back Down?

Ask the alligator partner

[Beo]

Okay there mister Two Rivers expert survival only in my pockets master camper mile high hiker into deep dark forest, what do you take into the woods for 1-2-3- days or a week or longer? You say "had to chuckle. Survival? This is kinda like a tour of each vehichle in a retirement RV park in Florida." What's your age? What experience you got and training you got? Age is another word for experience in woodsy skills, because I'm 42 I'm in a retirement place? Bet you... bet your young azz I could walk circles around you in the woods, TraxNell, Rick, WarEagle, FVR, NativeDude, Mitch, RobertRodgers, Lady Trapper, Hopeak, WoodsWose, Professor Remy, Crashdive123, BraggSurvivor, and some of the newer guys and gals could walk up and down you in the woods. Chris I know could just from reading his posts, he's pretty no nonsense, so don't come on here spewing your junk about how little you take into the wilds, been there and done that.

[Rick]

He's from Indiana, Beo. You know how THEY are.

[nell67]

He's from Indiana, Beo. You know how THEY are.

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and we all know Rick is just a transplanted hoosier! LMAO!

[Beo]

Well normally his posts are pretty good, but I think that was kinda uncalled for, as I age I get more and more woodsy knowledge, better and better in the backcountry, and can do it with less and less, he** I take less now into the woods then I did when I was in LRSD in the Army. Maybe I took his post wrong and he was joking, if so then I guess I was wrong for getting a miffed, but it just came off wrong to me.

[Tony uk]

Okay there mister Two Rivers expert survival only in my pockets master camper mile high hiker into deep dark forest, what do you take into the woods for 1-2-3- days or a week or longer? You say "had to chuckle. Survival? This is kinda like a tour of each vehichle in a retirement RV park in Florida." What's your age? What experience you got and training you got? Age is another word for experience in woodsy skills, because I'm 42 I'm in a retirement place? Bet you... bet your young azz I could walk circles around you in the woods, TraxNell, Rick, WarEagle, FVR, NativeDude, Mitch, RobertRodgers, Lady Trapper, Hopeak, WoodsWose, Professor Remy, Crashdive123, BraggSurvivor, and some of the newer guys and gals could walk up and down you in the woods. Chris I know could just from reading his posts, he's pretty no nonsense, so don't come on here spewing your junk about how little you take into the wilds, been there and done that.

No Tony uk ? *Cryes*