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    Quote Originally Posted by Pal334 View Post
    You also hit a good point :"I feel sorry for anyone in this country that thinks their future will include defending their home with inter-locking fields of fire. Or running for the hills watching their back trail and shooting at anyone following"

    The most likely things that folks should prep for are the non military "problems". In my experience, with a few exceptions, folks with military backgrounds seem to seek a decidedly non military primary course
    I never really thought about it that way but I think you are right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by your_comforting_company View Post
    Could it be called "intuitive reaction"?

    When you can make a set of moves in response to whatever stimuli without hesitation (i.e. needing time to think) you are already a step ahead. You have to know what action to take without having to assess, register, and then take action.
    I think this is a really good article. Good points made by all. Thanks!
    "Intuitive reaction" is very descriptive.

    It's my stance that someone who has trained while under stress is able to move and think at the same time as apposed to needing time to think.
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    Not sure what "primary course" means.

    I hope for the best and prepare for the worst. If the power for the whole island is down, ok, not a huge issue. If it's still down 2 weeks later I'll expect people to be hungry, irrational, and unfriendly. At that point I go Infantry.
    I had a compass, but without a map, it's just a cool toy to show you where oceans and ice are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    Not sure what "primary course" means.

    I hope for the best and prepare for the worst. If the power for the whole island is down, ok, not a huge issue. If it's still down 2 weeks later I'll expect people to be hungry, irrational, and unfriendly. At that point I go Infantry.
    I tend to relate to that way of thinking.

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    Here is another example.

    In 2006 I was involved in a really bad ATV accident that shattered my right Tibia. As soon as the ATV hit my leg I knew it was broke. I was still tumbling down the hill and was already planning my rescue.

    As soon as I came to a stop I was yelling at my friend and telling him what to do. My friend is a highly trained military professional. As he was watching the whole thing unfold he too was planning what needed to be done. He was able to stabilize me and go for help all while I was telling him what he needed to do.

    This was a stressful situation made highly stressful because I was telling him what to do. He had to ignore my almost unintelligible barrage while tending to me.

    Because he had trained for many different stressful situations he was able to keep is cool, think on the move and facilitate a flawless rescue.
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    Another confirmation that there simply is no substitute for training.

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    My training including learning how to fall and my focus would have been on the fall. This sounds odd to people but thier are methods to prevent injury during a fall. You can see the same methods I learned use by stuntmen and professional wrestlers. They are not being hurt when they are being slamed around. Training does make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klkak View Post
    Here is another example.

    In 2006 I was involved in a really bad ATV accident that shattered my right Tibia. As soon as the ATV hit my leg I knew it was broke. I was still tumbling down the hill and was already planning my rescue.

    As soon as I came to a stop I was yelling at my friend and telling him what to do. My friend is a highly trained military professional. As he was watching the whole thing unfold he too was planning what needed to be done. He was able to stabilize me and go for help all while I was telling him what he needed to do.

    This was a stressful situation made highly stressful because I was telling him what to do. He had to ignore my almost unintelligible barrage while tending to me.

    Because he had trained for many different stressful situations he was able to keep is cool, think on the move and facilitate a flawless rescue.
    Good thing he wasn't a cowboy,,,,,,, you might have gotten shot !

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    I am more of a civil unrest in the city guy. I live on the West side of Cleveland in a lil burg called Brooklyn and I think more than weather, chem spill, train derail, economy collapse etc.... something will trigger a inner city riot or unrest and will migrate very easy to where I am at. Various military training has prepped me for it, but more so, street survival has prepped me even further on it. I live in a fairly rough part of town...I have a simple win win in Brooklyn as it is nice right here, but are surrounded on all sides with blight and really hard times.....slowly the blight is creeping in given all the empty houses due to the real estate collapse.

    I have tried to prep for just about anything from natural, man made to total end run.....I am getting close to my prepped epi-point and need to maintain the prep now rather than grow it more....the maintenance is going to be a real chore with rotations of goods and keeping the animals here and in PA all good and stuff. I will actually start to de-prep some of the things as I keep assessing the needs as we go along day to day.

    I keep a good amount of barter and trade items on hand as well as our daily living items.

    The training truly comes from living it on a day to day basis... it is our lives now.... not just something that we will do when a switch is flipped or something else happens.

    I live with-in 40 miles east or west of two Nuke plants, as well as large coal burning and a HUGE water plant. Even with all of those here, I still feel that civil unrest is out major threat here in cleveland.... each day the have nots are losing more and the haves are gaining more... at some point it is going to boil over here.

    I am not sure if it will turn militant or not, but I sure did see how katrina turned out to be a shoot out with roving bands of armed folks of all persuasions and levels. I had seen LA after Rodney King events.....Cleveland is truly at that point right now.....I think I am ready as can be for almost anything, especially an impending race and civil event here.... the tension is just too dang high for something not to happen... it is just the way it is. The whole SIEU, CWA and a few others really ramping up their union stuff and is making it very heated here as many here see those unions as craddle points for race relations.

    Something has just got to give, I am just not sure what KNOT is going to slip.

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    IMO
    Training allows you to function, even with out thinking.
    You have heard it over and over in interviews with rescuers, survivors, etc.over and over, "When the building blew I just let my training kick in and did my job".

    Had First aid, CRP, Safety, OSHA, tornado, fire, chemical spills as well as personnel problems, fights, armed personnel, bomb scares, etc in a long supervision career. Mostly provided by management having training sessions.

    Training is good, and as a student and some time instructor, I will tell you that a lot of people do not buy into it, if it's required. Seems there ar a lot of class clowns that never really gave it up.

    Like everything else, you get out what you put in.
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    Someone on here had a signature for a long time that said, "You and you, panic. The rest follow me." I think it was Pal or Klkak, maybe. I've always thought that was a good description of leadership even if it is funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Someone on here had a signature for a long time that said, "You and you, panic. The rest follow me." I think it was Pal or Klkak, maybe. I've always thought that was a good description of leadership even if it is funny.
    Twas I for some time . That was something I heard, maybe during the ABGD training Klkak refered to. I think they used it to get rid of the "weak sisters" . Seemed to be a good attention getter
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    American Board of General Dentistry training?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BENESSE View Post
    American Board of General Dentistry training?!
    Ooops,,, Air Base Ground Defense. An Air Force school for training Security Forces personnel in basic combat skills.


    Also there is a thread from awhile ago where we discussed Mental Preparedness:


    http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...l-Preparedness
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    I think the table top planning that you've posted on a couple of times is an integral part of this.
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    Agreed, here it is for those that have not seen it. At the least, lends food for thought. Please feel free to comment

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    back when I was doing LRS, we made 3-d terrain models of the entire AO. Actually seeing the terrain helps a great deal.
    I had a compass, but without a map, it's just a cool toy to show you where oceans and ice are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Case View Post
    Good thing he wasn't a cowboy,,,,,,, you might have gotten shot !
    I wouldn't doubt it crossed his mind. He's an ornery sort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pal334 View Post
    Twas I for some time . That was something I heard, maybe during the ABGD training Klkak refered to. I think they used it to get rid of the "weak sisters" . Seemed to be a good attention getter
    Pal, we may have talked about this before, but when and where did you do your ABGD training.
    1. If it's in your kit and you don't know how to use it....It's useless.
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