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    @mountain1 - I'm glad that you are happy living in Montana. It's a beautiful state - been there a time or two. Your independent living style is one that you choose, and I'm glad that you are happy with it. You say in your bio that you live off grid 5 to 6 months out of the year. I'd have to assume that the rest of the time you live?????? You can knock off your condesending remarks about others on this forum though. It has become boorish and tiresome. I don't think any of us need a lecture by you on freedom or liberty. I know darn well that I don't!
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    He does that from time to time. That's why 2D likes him so much.
    It kinda tickles, when I think! LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdive123 View Post
    condensing remarks
    Those are kinda' like drips, right?
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    Mountain1

    "MONTANA; WHERE THE MEN ARE MEN AND THE SHEEP ARE SCARED"

    Do you realize what you are saying?

    If that is what you like then well.......... it is best to keep that to yourself. No wonder he doesn't want arial surveillance over his property.

    I'm sure thats illegal even in Montana.

    By the way ever wear a Kilt?

    Keep in mind that I'm just being an a$$ and have nothing better to do at the moment then polk fun at a Mountain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountain1 View Post
    they have no right to do that either. if someone wants to grow weed it's none of their da&m buisness.
    With your permission Those are quotes that I will keep. (above) and :"MONTANA; WHERE THE MEN ARE MEN AND THE SHEEP ARE SCARED "
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    Might as well look up at a jet contrail and shake your fist, screaming that it is trespassing on your property.

    I believe that we do have a right to privacy, but the airspace above your property does not belong to you. Making such a claim is the same as trying to claim that you own the moon.

    A helicopter or drone flying around taking video of my property is going to have a very boring afternoon unless they really like cattle.
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    A reminder may be in order. This is not a stereotypical "Survival Forum". Most folks are here to learn and share. Not many get involved in unsubstantiated "Conspiracy" or unmarked black helicopter theories. Please provide as much background in the future with your posts, that is what gets you credibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r0ckhamm3r View Post
    Might as well look up at a jet contrail and shake your fist, screaming that it is trespassing on your property.
    Excellent idea! Score one for you!

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    Or invest in a lot of camo netting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdive123 View Post
    @mountain1 - I'm glad that you are happy living in Montana. It's a beautiful state - been there a time or two. Your independent living style is one that you choose, and I'm glad that you are happy with it. You say in your bio that you live off grid 5 to 6 months out of the year. I'd have to assume that the rest of the time you live?????? You can knock off your condesending remarks about others on this forum though. It has become boorish and tiresome. I don't think any of us need a lecture by you on freedom or liberty. I know darn well that I don't!
    +1 thanks crash wanted to say something but you said it much better.
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    The only Problem I would have with this is in regards to the Posse Commitatus act of 1878. I have a problem with using military Equipment or Personnel in Law enforcement roles. In regards to catching Illegal pot growers I have seen Military personnel using military equipment in finding and removing these plants and even one case watching the Prisoners while LEO's walked away. So in these type cases then I have a problem.... when LEO's Break the law to enforce the law(Oxymoron I know) No different than illegal wiretaps, or Coerced confessions.

    BTW I have a source.......
    http://www.dojgov.net/posse_comitatus_act.htm

    SEC. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section And any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment.
    Yet the money confiscated still goes to the LE agencies in these cases......


    Sorry but for some reason the link provided in the OP keeps popping up, then disappearing and reappearing Like it doesn't want to load or something........Well 20 minutes later it finally loaded.
    For now, the use of drones for high-risk operations is exceedingly rare. The Federal Aviation Administration - which controls the national airspace - requires the few police departments with drones to seek emergency authorization if they want to deploy one in an actual operation. Because of concerns about safety, it only occasionally grants permission........I am curious if this was permission granted.
    ........Such technology could allow police to record the activities of the public below with high-resolution, infrared and thermal-imaging cameras.This would go past what is considered "In Plain View" And would be an illegal search, IMO

    One manufacturer already advertises one of its small systems as ideal for "urban monitoring." The military, often a first user of technologies that migrate to civilian life, is about to deploy a system in Afghanistan that will be able to scan an area the size of a small town. And the most sophisticated robotics use artificial intelligence to seek out and record certain kinds of suspicious activity.This also concerns me as it might not be covered in a warrant, granted in a particular case. This would border on Illegal searches.

    But when drones come to perch in numbers over American communities, they will drive fresh debates about the boundaries of privacy. The sheer power of some of the cameras that can be mounted on them is likely to bring fresh search-and-seizure cases before the courts, and concern about the technology's potential misuse could unsettle the public.

    "Drones raise the prospect of much more pervasive surveillance," said Jay Stanley, a senior policy analyst with the American Civil Liberties Union's Speech, Privacy and Technology Project. "We are not against them, absolutely. They can be a valuable tool in certain kinds of operations. But what we don't want to see is their pervasive use to watch over the American people."Again concern is raised IF the technology mentioned above IS used From take-off to landing then Many homes would be searched illegally.
    Now I Just know someone is thinking "Well if you aren't breaking the law, Why worry?" To those that think /believe that.... How would you feel if the LEO's were allowed to pick your locks walk in, and search your house without a warrant ANYTIME they wanted? This technology borders on just that. I'm sure to a sharp enough analyst, your Gun safe would give off a different heat signature than say.... your refrigerator. However in this case they don't even have to come inside your house OR ask your permission to look. I also see sharp Lawyers getting off some really crooked crooks off on technicalities caused by this technology. Now to all the law abiding citizens THAT should give you concern.

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    Ok, so I didn't read this whole thread, nor do I want to, but I would like to say that people, country people, who run homesteads and are self-sufficiant don't have TIME or the CARE to worry about "big brother" and all this government bull.

    I never heard my husband, brothers or father(I grew up on a dairy farm also) talk about these things, or even politics. It was all chores, and repairs, and chores, and a lot of nodding and swearing. The conversation in families are always about how you can tell a man by how straigh he plows, how tall and neat his woodpile, how sharp he keeps his axe, how clean his barn, if his wheels squeek on the tractor...how his corn grows, how white the fences are... Worries about government? bah.

    People who truly "live off the grid" and homestead are usually far to simple of people to be bothered. It seems a very trendy thing, to live off the grid, but it's hard, hard work. No time to think big thoughts.
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    Moondancer, I'm a city kid but grew up with the same values as you.
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    [QUOTE=themoondancer811;275560]Ok, so I didn't read this whole thread, nor do I want to, but I would like to say that people, country people, who run homesteads and are self-sufficiant don't have TIME or the CARE to worry about "big brother" and all this government bull.

    I never heard my husband, brothers or father(I grew up on a dairy farm also) talk about these things, or even politics. It was all chores, and repairs, and chores, and a lot of nodding and swearing. The conversation in families are always about how you can tell a man by how straigh he plows, how tall and neat his woodpile, how sharp he keeps his axe, how clean his barn, if his wheels squeek on the tractor...how his corn grows, how white the fences are... Worries about government? bah.

    People who truly "live off the grid" and homestead are usually far to simple of people to be bothered. It seems a very trendy thing, to live off the grid, but it's hard, hard work. No time to think big thoughts.[/QUOTE]

    Whoa! No time to think big thoughts? For the last seven years we've been off-grid and provide most of our food through gardening, foraging, hunting and fishing and we actually have lots of free time in the winter and even when working a person's mind can be delving with other matters. The founders of this nation worked very hard and proved themselves quite adept at "thinking big thoughts" and they surely were not "simple" people. The largest detriment to thinking today is the television and computer games. I'd be willing to bet that most of those living off-grid use their time for other things than rotting their brains in front of a boob tube.

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    Yikes...mountain man, put on the breaks. For starters, I meant no insult when calling my OWN family "simple people." They are brilliant in every regard, but no interest in the big modern day politics/ government etc.

    You are right, our forefathers did indeed create our country by thinking, "big thoughts." I agree, but from the people I know in my family (my father is now 87) were old yankees, farmers and simple folk. So from my specific life, this is how I have experienced it. Of course, other people may have different experiences. I have speant 52 years farming, I guess we just choose to live in our own lives.

    As for TV and video games, I couldn't name one.

    Edit- What exactly do you feel is WRONG with being a "simple" person? I am taken quite a back that you are so insulted by the phrase?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdive123 View Post
    @mountain1 - I'm glad that you are happy living in Montana. It's a beautiful state - been there a time or two. Your independent living style is one that you choose, and I'm glad that you are happy with it. You say in your bio that you live off grid 5 to 6 months out of the year. I'd have to assume that the rest of the time you live?????? You can knock off your condesending remarks about others on this forum though. It has become boorish and tiresome. I don't think any of us need a lecture by you on freedom or liberty. I know darn well that I don't!
    no. i say in my bio that i snowmobile to my house 5-6 months a year. 4wd the rest.
    and you actually can't see my cabin from space on google maps. the roof and siding on all structures on the property are forest green and blend in with the surrounding forest canopy. i'm fully aware that that is old tech.

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    Pocomoonskyeyes: Excellent points you made there. I couldn't have stated it better myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gryffynklm View Post
    Mountain1

    "MONTANA; WHERE THE MEN ARE MEN AND THE SHEEP ARE SCARED"

    Do you realize what you are saying?

    If that is what you like then well.......... it is best to keep that to yourself. No wonder he doesn't want arial surveillance over his property.

    I'm sure thats illegal even in Montana.

    By the way ever wear a Kilt?

    Keep in mind that I'm just being an a$$ and have nothing better to do at the moment then polk fun at a Mountain.
    now that is funny.
    it's a 'famous' saying from a 'famous' strip club here in MT.
    i could send you a tee shirt. just picture a guy/sheep/stump. it is hilarious. and in some cases supposedly true. guys get lonely on the range. so the sayin' goes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountain1 View Post
    no. i say in my bio that i snowmobile to my house 5-6 months a year. 4wd the rest.
    and you actually can't see my cabin from space on google maps. the roof and siding on all structures on the property are forest green and blend in with the surrounding forest canopy. i'm fully aware that that is old tech.
    Great. I'm happy for you. High tech, low tech - it's your choice. That wasn't the real point of my comment though.....the next three sentences of it were.
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