big brother is flying high in your sky

**mountain1** · 01-23-2011, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Camp10

They routinely fly helicopters over my property (and the land around it) in the fall looking for pot plants. I dont know why it would be any different if it was a drone..except they might catch me showering under the eaves if I cant hear them coming.

sorry. forgot to reply with quote on the last statment with no quote added. about they have no right. which they don't.

**mountain1** · 01-23-2011, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

Do you find it the least bit odd that everyone that has responded to this post is wrong but you? And what makes you think Montana is exempt?

no not at all! i just see it as a cross section of society today. people don't care about freedom or liberty. they would rather be slaves and controlled.
i actually find it very typical.
that's why i live where where i live.
most of montanas feel as i do. that's also why they live here.

**JPGreco** · 01-23-2011, 06:11 PM

Show me the law that says I have a right to privacy when in plain view of anyone (I say anyone becaus government officials or private citizens can report my crimes). This includes if I'm beating my wife with the blinds open so people on the street can see into the house (assuming I have her gagged so she's not making any noise). Do I have a right to commit a crime that others can clearly see me committing?

Just so you don't link some conspiracy issue, its called Expectation of Privacy. In your own home, you have to highest expectation to privacy. Notice I said "IN". Not on your property, not walking down the street. Once outside of your home, your expectation of privacy diminishes because you are in plain sight.

How is the use of a drone to see whats going on in the neighboorhood any different than an officer walking down the street looking around?

**BENESSE** · 01-23-2011, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by mountain1

i avoid the filth of urban speawl at all cost. you wouldn't catch me dead in nyc. if i were there i would take care of myself. don't need someone else to do it for me.

Yeah, right, whatever floats your kayak.
You worry about ambushing hibernating bears, while we'll worry about the next terrorist F U challenge.
And don't call us...we certainly won't call on you.

**Camp10** · 01-23-2011, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by JPGreco

If they can see you with a helicopter, they can see you with a drone.

I know that but when I hear a helicopter I can I can decide if I want to be seen showering or not. If they send in a drone, they've got me naked and singing along to Katy Perry.

@mountian1 Last year they found, caught and locked up the thugs that were known to burn camps and gate roads they didnt own. These two guys were growing on other people's land and had been a general PITA for a very long time. If there was no helicopter in the air, it wouldnt have happened.

**Rick** · 01-23-2011, 06:13 PM

Be careful. Just because we don't agree with your views doesn't mean we don't value liberty or freedom. And you don't have the right to refer to us as slaves or anything else. I promise you that there is surveillance over your house even as you read this. Any number of birds in space are streaming pictures and video to earth stations for people to review. And yes, it happens in Montana whether you like it or not.

**Ken** · 01-23-2011, 06:16 PM

Let me chime in.......... You'll often hear me complain about various methods employed by the government. Not in this case. Aerial surveilance has been upheld consistently by appeals courts. The reason? Your land or not, you don't own the sky above it. Therefore, if you're foolish enough to engage in illegal activity out in the open, where you have no "expectation of privacy," you take your chances.

Are there some exceptions? Yep, but they're not relevant to these facts.

**JPGreco** · 01-23-2011, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Camp10

I know that but when I hear a helicopter I can I can decide if I want to be seen showering or not. If they send in a drone, they've got me naked and singing along to Katy Perry.

Well, in that case, I would recommend you write a letter to your local government asking them to affix a siren to the drone, that be sounded only when approaching your shower point. Or work out a schedule where your shower area will be drone free on certain days at certain times.

Or maybe invest in a shower curtain.... lol

**BENESSE** · 01-23-2011, 06:17 PM

Let me just get this out of the way, once and for all...
Don't preach to me behind a fence when I'm on the front line.

**Ken** · 01-23-2011, 06:18 PM

JPG? You ever go to law school?

**JPGreco** · 01-23-2011, 06:20 PM

Me? No, why do you ask?

**Ken** · 01-23-2011, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by JPGreco

Me? No, why do you ask?

You were right on. Good post.

**JPGreco** · 01-23-2011, 06:27 PM

Ah, well I did take a 200 level constitutional law class in college, which is where I did learn the terminology, but thats the extent of my formal law education. My brother is in law school currently though, and apparently tearing it up.

I'm also not stupid and learn. Several of your posts in the thread about the school and the ten commandments were excellent and made me think.

**Rick** · 01-23-2011, 06:29 PM

He does that from time to time. That's why 2D likes him so much.

**Ken** · 01-23-2011, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by JPGreco

Ah, well I did take a 200 level constitutional law class in college, which is where I did learn the terminology, but thats the extent of my formal law education. My brother is in law school currently though, and apparently tearing it up.

I'm also not stupid and learn. Several of your posts in the thread about the school and the ten commandments were excellent and made me think.

You learned well. Constitutional law should be a requirement in high school and then again in college. Thanks for the kind words on the school thread.

**JPGreco** · 01-23-2011, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

He does that from time to time. That's why 2D likes him so much.

Hahahaha, I was just reading the 2D vs Ken thread (well the first page since I'm not going through the whole thing). Just to throw it out there, I don't get offended when someone else makes me think.

And to be on topic. When law enforcement starts employing Xray or thermal technology to see THROUGH walls, clothing, into my vehicle, or to see anything else that is not in their line of sight is when I will be up in arms over invasion of privacy.

**Rick** · 01-23-2011, 06:36 PM

Oh, right. Like you wouldn't want one so you could drive by the girls' dorm. Paaalease.

**JPGreco** · 01-23-2011, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Ken

You learned well. Constitutional law should be a requirement in high school and then again in college. Thanks for the kind words on the school thread.

You're welcome. I will enjoy having a constitutionalist around that actually knows it and isn't a crazy right or left winger, or religous/anti religious nut job (at least you don't seem to be any of those to me yet).