A Demand For A Ban on 18-Wheeler's

[Ken]

bed wetters

*making a mental note to incorporate that term into my frequently used vocabulary*

[2dumb2kwit]

*making a mental note to incorporate that term into my frequently used vocabulary*

Well....I'm not supposed to call any names....or political groups.....right? LOL

[Pocomoonskyeyes3]

OK a Hypothetical situation.(For discussion only, as instructions for question 11f clearly state how that question should be answered)

Let's say that you suffer severe disabling depression(years ago) and require hospitalization, treatment, and therapy....say due to the loss of a loved one. This is something that you eventually come to terms with, even though at one time it gave you suicidal thoughts (Or possibly Homicidal thoughts, due to mis-diagnosis at a hospital of that same loved one, resulting in that loved ones death) Should you (Not someone else but you personally) in this set of circumstances be denied ownership of a firearm? Even though this was something that occurred many years ago?

Please do not just jump in with your answer, but think about that for a minute or two before answering.


On the other hand... what has been said about mental patients being released with no continuing follow up treatment or case worker to insure the treatment plan is followed is more common than many would think. Some homeless people are in this category. I met a few in this category when I was homeless. Forced discharge of mental patients is maybe more common than some would think or want to believe. The institutions can't hold them all as they are understaffed, under funded, and simply don't have adequate facilities.

[Ken]

Well....I'm not supposed to call any names....or political groups.....right? LOL

Right.

http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Bedwetting/support-group

[Ken]

OK a Hypothetical situation.(For discussion only, as instructions for question 11f clearly state how that question should be answered)

Let's say that you suffer severe disabling depression(years ago) and require hospitalization, treatment, and therapy....say due to the loss of a loved one. This is something that you eventually come to terms with, even though at one time it gave you suicidal thoughts (Or possibly Homicidal thoughts, due to mis-diagnosis at a hospital of that same loved one, resulting in that loved ones death) Should you (Not someone else but you personally) in this set of circumstances be denied ownership of a firearm? Even though this was something that occurred many years ago?

Please do not just jump in with your answer, but think about that for a minute or two before answering.

Tough question, Poco. I guess the answer raises yet another question: If confronted with similar circumstances in the future, would the person react in the same way again?

[Justin Case]

I listen to some of those idiots, and most of what bed wetters get their panties in a wad about, are things said in jest. (Not to mention all the things said as a figure of speech.)

Heck....if media matters read this forum, they would be telling the world that lawyers want to kill dumb southerners, but we know that's not the case.


...OK, that might be a bad example.LOL

Thats great ! at least you concede they are Idiots ,,

[Batch]

Once depressed always depressed?

[2dumb2kwit]

OK a Hypothetical situation.(For discussion only, as instructions for question 11f clearly state how that question should be answered)

Let's say that you suffer severe disabling depression(years ago) and require hospitalization, treatment, and therapy....say due to the loss of a loved one. This is something that you eventually come to terms with, even though at one time it gave you suicidal thoughts (Or possibly Homicidal thoughts, due to mis-diagnosis at a hospital of that same loved one, resulting in that loved ones death) Should you (Not someone else but you personally) in this set of circumstances be denied ownership of a firearm? Even though this was something that occurred many years ago?

Please do not just jump in with your answer, but think about that for a minute or two before answering.


On the other hand... what has been said about mental patients being released with no continuing follow up treatment or case worker to insure the treatment plan is followed is more common than many would think. Some homeless people are in this category. I met a few in this category when I was homeless. Forced discharge of mental patients is maybe more common than some would think or want to believe. The institutions can't hold them all as they are understaffed, under funded, and simply don't have adequate facilities.

Personally, I would be pretty soft on regulations.

Ya see....this is the problem with that type of gun control. Who makes these decisions? In the future, can these restrictions be taken too far. Anyone who has ever been perscribed a seditive could be ruled out....as well as anyone who has ever lost their temper at all. How about someone with a bad driving record? Wouldn't that show bad decision making on their part? How about any ex-military. How about those crazy "survivalist" people?

[Pocomoonskyeyes3]

Tough question, Poco. I guess the answer raises yet another question: If confronted with similar circumstances in the future, would the person react in the same way again?

Not one person on earth could answer that question(No matter how "expert"). We all are subject to our experiences and change many times mentally throughout our lifetime.

[2dumb2kwit]

Thats great ! at least you concede they are Idiots ,,

I just didn't want you to get confused about who I was talking about. LOL

[Ken]

Not one person on earth could answer that question(No matter how "expert"). We all are subject to our experiences and change many times mentally throughout our lifetime.

Exactly. Many convicted felons never commit another felony. However, watch the public reaction about liberal judges and parole boards whenever a felon is is released and is then accused of committing another crime.

[randyt]

Exactly. Many convicted felons never commit another felony. However, watch the public reaction about liberal judges and parole boards whenever a felon is is released and is then accused of committing another crime.

is there a link verifying this? and does it differentiate between violent felons and non violent felons?

[Ken]

is there a link verifying this? and does it differentiate between violent felons and non violent felons?

I guess the link is me. I think I qualify as an expert on this issue.

[Pocomoonskyeyes3]

This is why I wanted to perhaps "Challenge" the way some people think of "Mental cases", Like lots of things there are exceptions. It's easy to quickly pass judgement on Joe Schmo from Kalamazoo, But a little different when some extenuating circumstances are applied to Ourselves, instead of someone we have no clue about.

The guy that shot the Congress woman, is pretty obviously "Out there" when you look at his Youtube site. But It is not always readily accessible information to things like the background check.

I'm sure that within an hour I could find SOMEONE that thought every one of us was "Whacko" for wanting to be prepared for unsavory circumstances. Some of us would be cited as OCD I'm sure. But does any "Mental Condition" preclude ownership of a firearm? All of us have them to one degree or another, it could be something as benign as a fear of clowns dressed in blue shoes and only at Circuses then. It could be a fear of spiders or heights. There are a broad spectrum of "Mental disorders" out there.

Some of us have them and would not think it right or fair that we should be denied ownership of a firearm. I mean if you are afraid of spiders in the extreme, then yes you MIGHT pull a .45 and blow away a granddaddy long legs or something along that line, but as a general rule we are all "Harmless, rational beings".

[randyt]

I guess the link is me. I think I qualify as an expert on this issue.

fair enough. How does the non-violent versus violent felon compare to one another when it comes to committing another felony?

[Ken]

fair enough. How does the non-violent versus violent felon compare to one another when it comes to committing another felony?

Probably about the same. Most - not all, but most - violent crimes are committed by teens and young adults. Maturity and hormone levels have a lot to do with it.

[canid]

i expect the significant differences to fall between the occurrence of recidivism in specific crimes, rather than an arbitrary distinction between those of violent or non-violent natures.

a use of lethal force in defence against a percieved threat ruled to be unreasonable is probably less likely to result in recidivist behavior than say, an ideologically motivated and pre-meditated murder though both are violent in nature.

a crime of felony drug crime or financially motivated one probably more so than say criminal trespass without those factors though both may be non-violent in nature.

[randyt]

Probably about the same. Most - not all, but most - violent crimes are committed by teens and young adults. Maturity and hormone levels have a lot to do with it.

I would have never thought that but I only have my little town to reference. Most of the trouble here is caused by people with a prior record. It seems like it's the same people over and over, sometimes it's years between charges but when you know everybody, it's easy to remember. must be a small town thing.

[Ken]

Poco, I guess that my point is this: We establish certain criteria to determine the likelihood that someone will re-offend or relapse. The criteria are established by experts and are based on statistics and studies and experience.

Are the criteria foolproof? Hell, no. However, in many cases, the alternative is life imprisonment or the death penalty for many criminal convictions. I dare say that if everyone who ever committed a crime were treated this way, there would be more people in prison that out.

Statistics PROVE that the prison population in the United States, in real numbers as well as in percentage of population, is the highest of any nation in the world. We incarcerate at the drop of a dime.

Accordingly, we have such things as parole and probation built into our system. Judges are given discretion in sentencing, based on facts made known to them.

Let one - JUST ONE - parolee committ a crime, and the general public wants to crucify the judge and the parole board. If a convicted felon serves his sentence and later re-offends, the public screams about the liberal criminal justice system's failure for not having imposed a longer sentence in the first instance. Sure, some judges are far too lenient - others are far too harsh. In my opinion, most try hard to be fair, and often operate with facts not known by the general public.

No system is perfect. With all of its failures, our criminal trial system is by far the best (even though it's deteriorating somewhat) in the world. However, our laws and sentencing practices leave a lot to be desired.

[Ken]

I would have never thought that but I only have my little town to reference. Most of the trouble here is caused by people with a prior record. It seems like it's the same people over and over, sometimes it's years between charges but when you know everybody, it's easy to remember. must be a small town thing.

That's probably true. Many crimes are committed by repeat offenders. However, many others, once convicted, never reoffend again.

That's one reason why sentencing guidelines take prior records into consideration.