A Demand For A Ban on 18-Wheeler's

**Ken** · 01-10-2011, 07:44 PM

As expected, new calls for gun control are being raised across the nation.

While we're at it, may I suggest that a ban on 18-wheeler tractor trailers be included in these bills?

Thinking about it, I figure that maniac Loughner would have been far more effective if he had used an 18-wheeler. He wouldn't have had to stop and reload an 18-wheeler - he could even have backed up or driven in circles. An 18-wheeler would have been a far more effective weapon in a crowded Safeway parking lot, so reason would have it that 18-wheelers are more dangerous than handguns.

Such a law would be relatively easy to enforce, as carrying a concealed 18-wheeler would be rather difficult.

Of course, once we ban 18-wheelers, any ban on 10-wheelers, or pickup trucks, or cars, or even motorcycles would be out of the question. Right?

Just thinking....... some communities already require people to register their bicycles, don't they?

**Justin Case** · 01-10-2011, 07:58 PM

as i read on another forum,,,, he could have done far more damage with 10 dollars worth of gas and a bic.......

**Camp10** · 01-10-2011, 08:09 PM

No sir Ken...you will need to ban all CDL type vehicles! See, once you start with a ban on 18, it's just a matter of time before someone adds 2 more to a 14 wheeler or 8 more to a 10....The only real solution is to ban them all. Sure some people might claim to just use them to deliver food, but we know better. We are smarter!

**BENESSE** · 01-10-2011, 08:09 PM

I think another reasonable question might be why was he able to purchase a gun legally without the mental/nut/lunatic background check?

**Rick** · 01-10-2011, 08:09 PM

He hadn't be adjudicated as having a mental disorder.

**2dumb2kwit** · 01-10-2011, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by BENESSE

I think another reasonable question might be why was he able to purchase a gun legally without the mental/nut/lunatic background check?

Because putting someones mental problems in a data base that can be checked, is considered a privacy violation, and is against the law!

That nut that did the Va Tech shooting had been locked up, for being crazy, but those records were not available (because of privacy laws.), so he bought a gun legally. (Actually, I think it was two.)

**Justin Case** · 01-10-2011, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by 2dumb2kwit

Because putting someones mental problems in a data base that can be checked, is considered a privacy violation, and is against the law!

That nut that did the Va Tech shooting had been locked up, for being crazy, but those records were not available (because of privacy laws.), so he bought a gun legally. (Actually, I think it was two.)

you sign away your right to privacy with the background check form.

**2dumb2kwit** · 01-10-2011, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

He hadn't be adjudicated as having a mental disorder.

Oh yeah....this guy was crazy, but he didn't have the paperwork.

**Rick** · 01-10-2011, 08:16 PM

I don't know if that is correct or not. I'm not challenging you, I'm just saying I don't know. The question of whether you have been judged mentally incompetent (I'm not certain of the actual wording) is certainly on the questionnaire when you purchase a weapon here in Indiana.

**BENESSE** · 01-10-2011, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by 2dumb2kwit

Because putting someones mental problems in a data base that can be checked, is considered a privacy violation, and is against the law!

That nut that did the Va Tech shooting had been locked up, for being crazy, but those records were not available (because of privacy laws.), so he bought a gun legally. (Actually, I think it was two.)

I thought in another thread recently someone (Crash? sorry if I'm wrong) posted that a mental background check was part of the law...therefore the info has to be available, or what's the point.

**2dumb2kwit** · 01-10-2011, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Justin Case

you sign away your right to privacy with the background check form.

We'll have to ask Ken how it works, but the nut house doesn't forward info.

**Rick** · 01-10-2011, 08:19 PM

There are a number of questions on the questionnaire that are a little wacky. If you answer them falsely then it's another charge they can put on you and a reason to revoke your permits/CCW/etc.

**2dumb2kwit** · 01-10-2011, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by BENESSE

I thought in another thread recently someone (Crash? sorry if I'm wrong) posted that a mental background check was part of the law...therefore the info has to be available, or what's the point.

It was part of getting my CCP, but not for buying a gun.

**Justin Case** · 01-10-2011, 08:22 PM

Purchasing a Firearm in Arizona

Buyer must not be a "prohibited possessor" under federal or state law and be

• over 18 years of age in order to purchase a long gun or
• over 21 in order to purchase a handgun.
• present government-issued photo ID which establishes name, address, date-of-birth and carries a signature
• Correctly and completely fill out and sign form government form 4473
• If not a U.S. citizen and not an immigrant visa foreign nationals will need to present proof of exception status
• Be able to pay for his or her purchase
• The dealer will then call or fax the Arizona Firearms Clearance Center for an Arizona clearance as well as a federal NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) check. Usually the check itself will take less than a minute and the resultant answer is either a proceed, a delay or a deny. A delay gives the FBI 3 days to clear it up and before which the firearm cannot be sold. After 3 days the sale can take place automatically. A deny means the sale cannot go through and the purchaser can contact the Arizona Firearms Clearance Center to clear up the matter.
• An Arizona resident may then take possession of the firearm. Non-residents need to comply with several additional criteria:

• the firearm must be legally possessible in the buyer's state of residence
• the transaction must be legal in the purchaser's state of residence
• Immediate possession of long guns is allowed if this is allowed in the state of residence
• Purchased handguns will be shipped by the dealer in Arizona to a licensed dealer (FFL [Federal Firearms License]) in the state of residence.
http://www.azccw.com/purchasingfirearminarizona.htm

form 4473
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473

**2dumb2kwit** · 01-10-2011, 08:23 PM

I may be kind of out of date on this stuff. Now that I have a CCP, when I buy a gun here, I have to fill out the paper, but they don't have to call in a background check....they just write in my permit number. The permit shows that I have been checked out. LOL

**Rick** · 01-10-2011, 08:23 PM

We have a 12 question (I think it's 12. Maybe 14) form that we have to answer. And the buyer has to fill it out. The dealer can't do it for you. It asks if you've been judged incompetent, been found quality of domestic abuse, have a restraining order currently against you and so on. Then the phone it in for authorization every time.

**Justin Case** · 01-10-2011, 08:25 PM

form 4473 pdf
http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473.pdf

**Camp10** · 01-10-2011, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

There are a number of questions on the questionnaire that are a little wacky. If you answer them falsely then it's another charge they can put on you and a reason to revoke your permits/CCW/etc.

The biggest problem as I see it is that no one ever seems to get charged for answering falsely. If you lie to get your gun, you should be prosecuted. If you try to get a firearm when you are ineligible, you should be prosecuted. People will test the system just because there is no harm in getting turned down. If you try 20 times to buy a gun, you might slip though once, right?