End of Life Planning Effective Jan. 1, 2011

**Pocomoonskyeyes3** · 12-29-2010, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

Can't speak to either situation. I know I would have filed a complaint with 1. The VA against the dentist and 2. The state license agency in your case, Poco. Neither are the norm nor should they be expected. Are there bad physicians? Yeah. Just like there are bad __________ fill in the blank. You know what they call the guy that graduated last in his medical class? Doctor.

Well the "Patient Care Advocate" said there was nothing else we could do. So we didn't. I may be just a cynical old fart, but I am finding more and more that the people we are supposed to trust (Doctors, politicians, and such)Do NOT deserve to be trusted at all. Funny thing is that the Vets here (for the most part) are more trustworthy around here than any Doctor in town. (with the exception of the doctor that delivered our first son, but he left Town for a better practice.) Just seems that wherever we go there are "Bad____ (just name a profession). it seems that it is more common than uncommon nowadays.

Like when I was fired from my last job, a clear cut case of discrimination (based on the companies own policies), but no Lawyer would even return my calls or call me from my visits to their offices. (I was fired for having my pocketknife out at work, but a guy who stuck a pair of scissors to another workers throat and threatened to kill him still works there 2 years after it happened) All I wanted was my job back.( Even the Labor board said it was too severe a punishment when I appealed them denying my unemployment. They even made what I did sound worse in their denial of unemployment than what actually happened.) Funny thing though they can't keep anyone on the line I worked on... they say it's too hard of a job to do. Yet I worked it for years and never complained once. I LOVE the Irony there.

I really can understand why there are Modern day Hermits. If I didn't have young kids I would probably be one too.

**BENESSE** · 12-29-2010, 02:18 PM

IMO, basic & preventive national healthcare should be on par with national defense/LE, infrastructure, and education. That's it. No more, no less.
If you want more than basic, you'll have to pay for it out of your own pocket the way you do when you choose to send your kid to private school. If you choose to purposely compromise your health by doing stuff universally accepted as harmful, then you'll have to pay for it, again, out of your own pocket. Actions have consequences, good and bad. You get to choose what's right for you. Not I, not the government.

**Aurelius95** · 12-29-2010, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by huntermj

End of life planning, I hope i go into a bridge abutment at 110 miles per hour. at 92 years old.

Larry: My grandma died.

Jeff: I'm sorry to hear that. How'd she die?

Larry: She was 94! She died in bike wreck at Bike Week.

**Justin Case** · 12-29-2010, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by BENESSE

IMO, basic & preventive national healthcare should be on par with national defense/LE, infrastructure, and education. That's it. No more, no less.
If you want more than basic, you'll have to pay for it out of your own pocket the way you do when you choose to send your kid to private school. If you choose to purposely compromise your health by doing stuff universally accepted as harmful, then you'll have to pay for it, again, out of your own pocket. Actions have consequences, good and bad. You get to choose what's right for you. Not I, not the government.

well said !

**Rick** · 12-29-2010, 04:15 PM

That is an interesting take, B. I'll have to think about that one. I don't know about the basic defense thingie, though.

Soldier: "Okay, you have our basic policy. We can protect you from all hand guns and light automatic weapons. If you want protection from APGs and IEDs then you'll have to take out our silver policy. We also cover heavy automatic weapons, too. Our gold policy covers up to and including artillery. We do throw in inbound conventional missile coverage at no extra charge however. If you really want to be covered then I suggest our platinum policy. It covers everything in the silver and gold package plus EMP, biological, gas, and direct nuclear strike. Now think about it. How much is your family worth?"

**crashdive123** · 12-29-2010, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by BENESSE

IMO, basic & preventive national healthcare should be on par with national defense/LE, infrastructure, and education. That's it. No more, no less.
If you want more than basic, you'll have to pay for it out of your own pocket the way you do when you choose to send your kid to private school. If you choose to purposely compromise your health by doing stuff universally accepted as harmful, then you'll have to pay for it, again, out of your own pocket. Actions have consequences, good and bad. You get to choose what's right for you. Not I, not the government.

The joys of freedom is the ability to choose. Sometimes we do not choose wisely, but anything less is akin to servitude.

**Rick** · 12-29-2010, 04:21 PM

Still on the pain meds ain't ya?

**BENESSE** · 12-29-2010, 04:22 PM

I was only equating basic health care to basic education. Defense/LE is in a category of it's own.
And while we're on national defense, everyone gets into a peace time draft.

**Rick** · 12-29-2010, 04:24 PM

Hey! Just havin' a little fun. I do like your idea of basic/preventative care, however. I think there is some genuine merit in that.

**2dumb2kwit** · 12-29-2010, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

Still on the pain meds ain't ya?

Yeah....he forgot to put it into words that we know! LOL

**2dumb2kwit** · 12-29-2010, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by BENESSE

I was only equating basic health care to basic education. Defense/LE is in a category of it's own.
And while we're on national defense, everyone gets into a peace time draft.

What about basic shelter....basic food......basic transportation....basic clothing.....

**BENESSE** · 12-29-2010, 04:54 PM

I know you're being a smart a$$ 2D so I'm not gonna take the bait. What I said above is "no more, no less".

**kyratshooter** · 12-29-2010, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Justin Case

Yet people without healthcare die here of preventable causes,,

Only if they choose too. Why does every socialist have this "die on the steps of the hospital" mythology.

By law no hospital can deprive a person of needed services. At least not in my state.

My wife worked for a very large nonprofit, charity hospital that was the sole provider of med-care in our region. No one was turned away.

They were/are on the top 20 hospitals of the nation list and are one of the 5 best places in the state/region to work.