Unh huh...
Compliments to Mrs. Rick...well done, madam, well done!!!
Yes he was wrong
No
Undecided
Unh huh...
Compliments to Mrs. Rick...well done, madam, well done!!!
Interesting point. I have killed many an animal on the farm, and I do respect and thank them for giving their lives for my sustenance. Maybe it is because I don't kill bears for food (although I eat the ones that I have killed). Mainly kill them when they are repeatedly killing livestock close to the house. Other than that, on the norm I leave them alone.Originally Posted by Pocomoonskyeyes3
Hmmm... kind of like the chickens, cows, and pigs, etc that we eat every day.... Interesting analogy. You see the BEST of those species are where the "Breeding stock" comes from. Good point.... except when they have reached the end of their usefulness, they too are sent to slaughter.
I just find it extremely odd that such different perceptions can be applied to domestic and wild animals. It's OK for one, but not the other.
It is to me at least as clear of an example of double standards as can be exhibited. This is OK/Good for this_____ but not this_____.
Oh BTW My vote is the only one in the undecided category. I can see valid points on both sides, yet have been arguing in favor of the guy almost all along. I wouldn't do what he did for my own various reasons, of which there are several, yet see nothing actually wrong with what was done. All laws were in fact followed.
I just thought I would reveal where my vote actually fell, as I am done with this argument/Debate. I cannot fathom how it is OK for that and worse to be done to "Domesticated" animals. Yet for a wild animal it is an entirely different set of standards. The Hypocrisy is astounding. Domestic Chickens are grabbed in the wee hours of the morning when they are shipped to the slaughterhouse, while they are on the roost. The chicken house is lit with nothing but red lights during this process so as to NOT disturb the sleeping chickens. Chickens cannot defend themselves near as well as that bear either. Yet it is OK for one but not the other. Pick any meat you eat and the story is pretty much as bad as that.... just different circumstances. It really makes me wonder how many have ever seen the total process of the life cycle of the animals we eat every day. Or ever been on a farm where people raise the animals they slaughter to put on their own table. I've seen it done, I've seen members of my family go out and get the best chicken in the coop because company was coming. The neck wrung, the carcass dressed out and cooked.
If you've ever watched "Ole Yeller" you have seen the free range hogs... that were for all intents and purposes "Wild" or Feral. There is not one bit of difference between that and hunting today.... except that there are more laws involved, "Rules, standards, and Ethics". Meat is meat. If you eat it it is not so pretty and ethical in any sense of the word. You go out, find the desired animal, kill it, clean it, and eat it. Fishermen do the same thing with "Trophy" catches..... but they are only fish after all.
American Indians respected ALL life. Everything that grew and lived sacrificed it's life so that we could live. Plants, animals, fish all were equally appreciated.... They ALL died so we could live. Just my opinion, but the further removed we become from the Earth, the more artificial our attitude towards all living things become..... Oh it's just a tomato, soybean, rabbit, chicken, deer, bear.... Yet they all live and died so that we can live. The Great beasts were honored with stories of their existence.... Trophy Hunters are able to do this too with the animals PRESENCE as well. In a sense these animals are immortalized. Yet no one sees this aspect.
Someone will eat that meat. It might be a Nursing Home, a homeless shelter, school, or hospital, or the hunter, his friends and family.... but someone will eat it I am fairly certain. The ONLY thing used to determine the "Trophy status" of a bear is the dried skull, and it's (the Bears) measurements. They have the weight, so no need to save the meat to waste it, it can be harvested and used. Someone please tell me that I am not the only one to see the double standard here between "Domestic" and "Wild" animals. This is why I have argued so long in defense of that hunter. OK to grab a sleeping chicken to slaughter, but heaven forbid the same is done with a bear that was NOT asleep.
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Dang all this time I thought I was an ethical hunter!
I hunt for meat and I kill it where I find it.
BTW, the deer I shot the other day was a doe.
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Freudian slip ??? perhaps LoL
With all do respect, Presenting ideas and facts about any position while trying to remain neutral is not the same as dancing around a persons beliefs. You've done it plenty of times in the gun threads.. I'm not even sure who you are refering to with this issue, most on both sides have been quite clear where they stand. Mike (the OP) might be the exception but he was clear that he wanted to know what we thought.
I've never been a good dancer...I do like to give my reasons for why I believe what I do and most posters on one side of this has been giving their reasons and facts about hunting and why it is ethical and the other side is talking about 700 pound penis'.
Just in case your not clear with my beliefs...This guy did nothing wrong and in fact, probably did more good for the younger bears, the fawns that will be born (and not eaten by this giant) in the spring and even the stores in that area that rely on hunters and hunting. If you've ever camped,hiked or had a picnic at a state park or any state owned public land, you've probably benefited from hunters $$....your welcome!
Yes I did, just this past summer. Yellowstone & Custer.
And I paid too, just to get in. You gotta pay to play. Don't mind at all, worth every penny.
In all honesty, I am quite surprised by the poll results, Just sayin
Actually, I am too.
I thought I'd be in the minority and it certainly felt that way.
a little more ,
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
GRAND JUNCTION — Colorado wildlife managers say they’re discussing whether to change hunting rules after a man reported shooting and killing a large black bear in its den.
Division of Wildlife spokesman Randy Hampton tells the Grand Junction Daily Sentinel the hunter didn’t break any rules. Hampton says the incident does raise “ethical issues.”
The hunter, Richard Kendall of Craig, defends his decision. He says he waited outside the northwest Colorado den for five hours, hoping the bear would emerge, before crawling about 6 feet into it and seeing the bear.
The Sentinel reports the bear weighed 703 pounds, about 50 percent more than most black bears.
The newspaper says preliminary measurements indicate the bear could set a state size record.
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Kendall told the Craig Daily Press, “You can’t even believe how much I respect that bear."
But some apparently feel otherwise, because, at least on newspaper forums, he's been getting a lot of flak for shooting the bear in its den.
http://www.outtherecolorado.com/blog...n-its-den.html
Nope, Firmly in the Majority
Not sure how to answer,In Northren WI we use bait stations and dogs those are the means of hunting bear here.Seems like tracking a bear to its den is all right to me.I don't think it any more ethical to build a fire and "smoke a bear out" and put a bullet in it only 10 feet from where it was sleeping.
yeah, I thought, that don't shoot ducks on a pond comment was funny as well...I've shot alot of ducks on ponds...the elk i killed this year was a nice fat cow...it seems the more connected to your food you are- the less "ethical" you are! Its much more ethical to export your exploitation of animals and let someone else kill your food and wrap it up in sell it to you then it is to get your hands dirty...
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Says who?
People who object to shooting bears in their dens also object to unethical treatment of all animals even the ones solely intended for consumption. The others pipe in only when their food gets contaminated with feces and mouse droppings. Or when roach legs get discovered in their SPAM.
I don't know, B. My neighbor has a dog I'd like to shoot while it's sleeping or even while it's barking its danged fool head off at 11:00 at night. And I wouldn't eat it, just let it lay for the neighbor to deal with. I wouldn't consider it ethical, just profoundly satisfying.
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Maybe you should off the idiot neighbor who allows it to happen.
It's like blaming kids for irresponsible parenting.
Naaaaa. That would be to ethical.
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Didn't y'all just got through tellin' me how that don't matter...and I was startin' to believe you?
Have you voiced your concerns with the dogs owner ? Maybe they need a punch in the nose to remind them to put the dog inside at night,,, Ya know, I never could understand why dogs that bark like that do not drive the owners crazy as well ??
It's official 65.22% of the people responding to this poll have put me into a quandary. If I was to say how I feel about these people, I will be kicked off this forum for good. If I sit back and say nothing then I look like a nut for cussing at my computer.
I guess I probably said enough.
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