CON Man......real GOOD Con man......scary good CON MAN.

**BENESSE** · 08-28-2010, 05:45 PM

This is what I want to hear from y'all.
Literally:

"We will do whatever it takes to keep firearms away from criminals and and in the hands of law abiding citizens."

Now, what's wrong with that?

**Sourdough** · 08-28-2010, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by BENESSE

This is what I want to hear from y'all.
Literally:

"We will do whatever it takes to keep firearms away from criminals and and in the hands of law abiding citizens."

Now, what's wrong with that?

OK, works for me, say we burn or tattoo a large "F" for felon on there forehead when they are paroled. Side Note: One of the last hunts I guided was a Father & Son hunters. The son about 29 years old & has two handguns and a rifle, and the son is on probation, and just got out of prison for felony drug dealing. The father Say's, "He really is a good kid, he just had some problems". (Ya'Think....? Me thinks the father also)

**BENESSE** · 08-28-2010, 08:53 PM

AGREED! tattoo wise, or whatever it takes-wise.
0 tolerance for bs, is what I'm for. Can we at least agree on that?

**Rick** · 08-29-2010, 12:50 AM

I like the tattoo thing. We can shave their eyebrows, too. Just for fun.

Ya'll probably saw that a US envoy's daughter fell 22 stories to her death. Had been out partying all night, drunk, leaned over the ledge and took flight. She had posted on Facebook about getting hammered and spending time in the clubs and doing drugs. Oh, yeah, she was 17. Where the heck are the parents?

**BENESSE** · 08-29-2010, 10:31 AM

That could have happened anywhere. Parents aren't around their teens 24/7 and when they go off to college or on a class trip or wherever, all bets are off. The examples abound. (Natalie Holloway?)
All a parent can hope for is that enough common sense is instilled to help them resist wrong company and peer pressure.

**Rick** · 08-29-2010, 01:19 PM

Sorry. At seventeen my kids were NOT staying out to 4:00 a.m. Unless she was a gifted student, she wasn't in college at 17 either. You can bet your bottom dollar I would have been reviewing her Facebook page if she were mine AND knowing where she was AND who she was with AND what they were doing. My kids were far from saints and got into everything a kid gets into. But more than once they turned around to find me there. I was an embarrassment to one and all. They are still alive and aren't in jail so we must have done something right AND got lucky.

They also knew they had three rules to live by. Drink + Drive = No Drive! They break that rule and they would be walking. No Seatbelt + ride or drive = No Drive! They break that rule and they would be walking. NO DRUGS = 0 tolerance. Period! No 2nd chance.

**Justin Case** · 08-29-2010, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

Sorry. At seventeen my kids were NOT staying out to 4:00 a.m. Unless she was a gifted student, she wasn't in college at 17 either. You can bet your bottom dollar I would have been reviewing her Facebook page if she were mine AND knowing where she was AND who she was with AND what they were doing. My kids were far from saints and got into everything a kid gets into. But more than once they turned around to find me there. I was an embarrassment to one and all. They are still alive and aren't in jail so we must have done something right AND got lucky.

They also knew they had three rules to live by. Drink + Drive = No Drive! They break that rule and they would be walking. No Seatbelt + ride or drive = No Drive! They break that rule and they would be walking. NO DRUGS = 0 tolerance. Period! No 2nd chance.

What would you have done if you found out your kid tried pot ? just curious,, BTW,, they probably did

**Rick** · 08-29-2010, 02:17 PM

They tried, I found out, and they got to spend time in rehab. Like I said. 0 tolerance. You want to do that stuff in your own house, have at. You won't do it here. Period.

Every kid tries it. Probably 99% but they know dad doesn't talk just to hear himself talk. If I tell them something they can believe.

**Justin Case** · 08-29-2010, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

They tried, I found out, and they got to spend time in rehab. Like I said. 0 tolerance. You want to do that stuff in your own house, have at. You won't do it here. Period.

Every kid tries it. Probably 99% but they know dad doesn't talk just to hear himself talk. If I tell them something they can believe.

Cool,, I was just curious about what you considered zero tolerance,,, I am glad you wouldn't disown them for example

**BENESSE** · 08-29-2010, 04:02 PM

I don't disagree Rick--I'd just like to distinguish upbringing vs. policing.
I was away from home and in school at 17. No parents to make sure I got home at a decent hour, attended classes and associated with decent kids. I did it because of the discipline instilled in me very early on and because I was made to understand that the consequences of bad behavior extended well beyond taking my car keys away or grounding me for a month or denying me computer privileges.
Kids at any age need to be taught not just right from wrong but to do the right thing even when no one's watching--especially the parents.
Too many people not just the young ones, don't quite get that when you choose the behavior, you choose the consequences