Will we return to this life?

[Sarge47]

It still is here though more than ever before....because there's more people than ever before.

Per capita it's probably the same as it ever it was.

Hmmm, think I'd of noticed that. Let me look out the window....no, no corpses littering the street! I'll check the newspaper....no, nobody "gunned down" lately; all fatalites either from a car accident or natural causes. Nope, not getting any "old west" stuff here.

[BENESSE]

I've lived in NYC for over 20 yrs. It has never been safer.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I've lived in NYC for over 20 yrs. It has never been safer.

And it will get even safer under totalitarian rule. Video cameras everywhere, neighbors reporting neighbors, FEMA ready to step in. Very safe indeed. AS a truck driver I was forced to take training under a program called HYWAY WATCH. I was given a few hours of training and an ID card to verify my idendity when I call in to report things I see in my truck to make sure it is legitimate. OBEY, you are being watched. They are getting thier ducks in a row. It is freedom and prosperity that is being outlawed. Stay scared, stay safe.

[BENESSE]

And it will get even safer under totalitarian rule.
Hopefully not in my lifetime, not here.

Video cameras everywhere,
That's how we got the Time Square footage of the terrorist
neighbors reporting neighbors, Someone saw something unusual and alerted the police. Thank God.
FEMA ready to step in. That's what we're paying them to do.
Very safe indeed. Could be so much worse and it has been.

AS a truck driver I was forced to take training under a program called HYWAY WATCH. I was given a few hours of training and an ID card to verify my idendity when I call in to report things I see in my truck to make sure it is legitimate. OBEY, you are being watched. They are getting thier ducks in a row. It is freedom and prosperity that is being outlawed. Stay scared, stay safe. I never let my guard down, no matter where I am.

What's wrong with reporting crime and abuse? What's wrong with the Neighborhood Watch or Amber Alert? We can hang together or we can hang alone. Doesn't mean we check our brains and cojones at the door and relinquish personal responsibility for our own safety.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

What's wrong with reporting crime and abuse? What's wrong with the Neighborhood Watch or Amber Alert? We can hang together or we can hang alone. Doesn't mean we check our brains and cojones at the door and relinquish personal responsibility for our own safety.

Yes, it does. Win or loose I stand a chance against criminals not so with the government. I don't trust them with any power let alone absolute power. I like the old westerns where each man had to have his own code and stand up for it himself.

[Rick]

Ah, but westerns, like most movies, are just make believe. If everyone has their own code....don't we call them......criminals? That's sort of why we have one set of codes called laws. And who is this government you refer to? The post office? The county extension service? The Forest service? The CIA? The government encompasses a lot of folks.

[Blasfemo]

And it will get even safer under totalitarian rule. Video cameras everywhere, neighbors reporting neighbors, FEMA ready to step in. Very safe indeed. AS a truck driver I was forced to take training under a program called HYWAY WATCH. I was given a few hours of training and an ID card to verify my idendity when I call in to report things I see in my truck to make sure it is legitimate. OBEY, you are being watched. They are getting thier ducks in a row. It is freedom and prosperity that is being outlawed. Stay scared, stay safe.

US is much a totalitarian state already and propaganda plays a big part in making all citizens afraid, its all about fear and control similar laws are passing everyday in the EU council since the Lisbon treaty has been signed and will only get worse from here on out i guess...

Of all the threads I posted THIS is the one you choose to resurect? The whole discussion was off topic because they did not get the basic premise...

Ye i got that and i missed it also, i have no idea of a point in human history that would be good and balanced to stay in/live in image of...now that we have a lot of stuff despite the bad use we give it it will be impossible for most of us to forget\leave this life of modern society, most will fight to protect the stupid **** we already have or die trying.

I saw a statistic that said 75 percent of the world population live like that now. The economy is raising that percentage each day. An adjustment is coming and my question is at what level do you think it will balance out. I doubt many honestly think things will improve or even maintain the status quo.

Ye most people live like **** there is no way to deny that we are the lucky bastards, end of the day, most of us never had to steal or kill for a mouthful of food and things like that, and worst, if we did we would not get our hands cut off or something...

[Batch]

Farming created free time. Not for the people who worked the farm. But, for the people that ran the farm. They developed communities and philosophy. Towns, cities, kingdoms and countries.

There are people who have the desire and some say the means to reduce the population. They of course want to pick who gets to live or breed and it probably ain't you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

We are a part of earth and natural as any other animal. We build elaborate lives and put on flashy displays to attract a mate. We try to leverage our environment to ensure we have easy access to as many resources in our area with the least amount of competition. We mate, raise our kids and die.

If left alone every imbalance will eventually be rebalanced. It is part of the process that certain species go extinct. Survival of the fittest. Out with the old and in with the new. That's the way they teach it.

When other populations of animals exceed the optimal population densities there are consequences. Increased competition for resources cause more violent conflict and stress. This decreases the animals ability to fight of disease. Disease is more easily spread through dense populations. Poor resources lead to malnutrition.

Mother Earth allows it to swing out of balance and then back in. That's why earth wobbles when she spins!

In the end it will be the way it will be and if it ain't, I have you a shiny nickel says the end is nigh.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Ah, but westerns, like most movies, are just make believe. If everyone has their own code....don't we call them......criminals?

Lucky for me more than half my code conforms to current regulation.

That's sort of why we have one set of codes called laws. And who is this government you refer to? The post office? The county extension service? The Forest service? The CIA? The government encompasses a lot of folks.

All of them including the local volunteer fire department.

When you are out in the woods do you go back to town to get somebody to handle your problems or do you bury them on the spot?

[Rick]

Hmm. I don't have problems in the woods. I guess if I did I'd handle it then call it in or go back to town to report it. I wouldn't bury it. I might want to camp there some time. How many problems have you buried?

[Blasfemo]

When you are out in the woods do you go back to town to get somebody to handle your problems or do you bury them on the spot?

flee is an option the law will be useless in the woods no? if my life was in danger i would probably bury it also if i had no other choice... i have been thinking about this many times in the past year, i hope it never comes to that....

[Alaskan Survivalist]

flee is an option the law will be useless in the woods no? if my life was in danger i would probably bury it also if i had no other choice... i have been thinking about this many times in the past year, i hope it never comes to that....

Fleeing is and option I hadn't thought about. I guess they could try. Unless you can't tell I'm being silly but someday we will be making a choice between freedom and obeying the law.

[Blasfemo]

Fleeing is and option I hadn't thought about. I guess they could try.

- AHAHAHAHAH lovely!

Unless you can't tell I'm being silly ....

Nop i cant tell, english is not my language and i do have a hard time understanding sarcasm or funny expressions and quotes m8

[crashdive123]

Your English is a heck of a lot better than my Portuguese.

[Sarge47]

And it will get even safer under totalitarian rule. Video cameras everywhere, neighbors reporting neighbors, FEMA ready to step in. Very safe indeed. AS a truck driver I was forced to take training under a program called HYWAY WATCH. I was given a few hours of training and an ID card to verify my idendity when I call in to report things I see in my truck to make sure it is legitimate. OBEY, you are being watched. They are getting thier ducks in a row. It is freedom and prosperity that is being outlawed. Stay scared, stay safe.

Hmmm, maybe you ought to move to Alaska....oh, never mind! I hear that Alaska is next on Obama's "hit list," they HATE Sarah Palin! They're even talking about passing a law that makes it a federal crime to not have door on an outhouse, so Sourdough's in trouble....

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Hmmm, maybe you ought to move to Alaska....oh, never mind! I hear that Alaska is next on Obama's "hit list," they HATE Sarah Palin! They're even talking about passing a law that makes it a federal crime to not have door on an outhouse, so Sourdough's in trouble....

Theres no next to it. This administration is trying to shut down our state. I think he is trying to make Chicago the capital of the world. The rest of us can go to hell.

[DOGMAN]

How many problems have you buried?

You really don't want to know that about me...more than my share

[rwc1969]

.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

We are a part of earth and natural as any other animal. ...

Ya, the parasitic part.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I remember a few old timers from my youth that were of the WW I era and the stories they told of how things were better and how they got screwd up. Then my parents generation say we should have never done this or done that and you now hear us saying how more things are going bad to the next genearation and yet we keep pressing forward screwing up more when we should look back to see what worked and what didn't. No time was perfect, It will never be a perfect world but can't we do better than this? I said that wrong. We have done better than this. we should not be looking for new ways to screw up and go back to what worked.

[Pocomoonskyeyes3]

First my apologies to AS for reviving this thread..... However I saw a "Guest" reading it and my curiosity was piqued.

I don't really consider my self a "Doomer", however I do see civilization in serious trouble. As Batch mentioned Mother Nature tends to deal rather harshly with populations gone wild, and ALWAYS returns it to a state of Balance.... or gets rid of it entirely. There is no technology now, nor in the future that will allow us to survive off of nothing. If we continue at our present rate, there will be no arable land, there will be no resources to provide all the material for the Crafts, arts, and other things mentioned that are the benefits of "Civilization". There will also be no need for the improved medical care either as there is only one cure for starvation....food. So while some may say that it is selfish to wish for things long gone, I counter that by saying that it is selfish to care only about ourselves in the here and now. While we may reap the benefits of all the wonders of modern technology, there is only a finite amount of resources to produce those.

Some will say "Oh yeah we have TONS of resources, we'll NEVER run out of oil." I would say that yes while there is enough oil to use for a few more(or maybe many) generations, what percentage have we used and what is left? The same can be said of most materials we use... they are not replenish-able, even through recycling.... they are finite, not infinite. We are only fooling ourselves. Each time Aluminum is recycled a small portion is lost(even if only microscopically),so is paper, plastics, glass,etc.... No the only truly "Replenish-able resources we have are things that can be grown and reproduced.These then die and return things to the earth. It is the cycle of life, the way Nature intended for it to be. Yes we can take chemicals from the ground and improve the soil that way, but that source is also limited.

I agree with AS The Plains Indians and Native American Indians had a true Philosophy of what would befall all of us if we did not pay attention to the wisdom that they had learned.... the hard way... from "Boots"(Mocassins) in the field experience. These words are credited to Chief Seattle, Chief of the Suquamish Indians.....
http://www.barefootsworld.net/seattle.html

This are the words of Chief Seattle translated from what he really said...
http://www.halcyon.com/arborhts/chiefaudio5.mp3

Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money. ~Cree Indian Proverb

"Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children."

Black Elk Oglala Sioux Holy Man
1863-1950
You have noticed that everything an Indian does is in a circle, and that is because the Power of the World always works in circles, and everything tries to be round..... The Sky is round, and I have heard that the earth is round like a ball, and so are all the stars. The wind, in its greatest power, whirls. Birds make their nest in circles, for theirs is the same religion as ours....
Even the seasons form a great circle in their changing, and always come back again to where they were. The life of a man is a circle from childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves.

What I fail to understand is how others cannot see that this is our true destiny,and that our true legacy is that todays "improvements" are the Death song of our future grandchildren.

Yes there are those "Smart" in science, but are they smart in life? In the Natural Order of things? Surely someone will say "Oh yes, we have botanists, and biologist who can tell you all of these things" Really? Then ask them what happens when the population becomes too dense, and can no longer support those life forms.

Yes there will be "Balance". However it is up to us to decide whether it is something we choose..... or something that is chosen for us. Just remember that when something is chosen for us (or forced), it is never easy, nor is it "Good" or comfortable.

To think otherwise is Arrogant in the extreme.

I am inclined to agree with AS. That the period of the Native American Indian was the pinnacle of "balance". Sure we may have increased life spans, but none of us live forever. "No one gets out of here alive"... No one. Are we so afraid of our own deaths that we would cheat our children and Grandchildren of their life?

Native American Indians had another saying that some think is a death wish or morbid. "Today is a good Day to Die." It means that my life has been a good one, that if I die today I have no regrets, that I have done all that I can..... for my generation and for those to come. That my death were it to come today, would also help insure that tomorrows generation would have a chance at their life. Am I so selfish that I would cheat my children or their children? I'm not, How about you? You say you would die to protect them, but by continuing on the road we are on, that saying is given the lie....prolonging our lives at the expense of theirs.

Enjoy your life, but don't cling to it. It will only be taken from you at some point anyways, no matter how tightly you grasp.

There are a few things in my signature (The "Indian 10 Commandments") that apply to this the way I see it, they are.....
Treat the Earth and all that dwell therein with respect, Work together for the benefit of all Mankind(including future generations), Do what you know to be right, Be truthful and honest at all times, Take full responsibility for your actions

Just something for all of us to think about....