BP Oil

[Alaskan Survivalist]

Um, The Sheriff has nothing to do with them having a security staff, I can hire a security guard to follow me around town if i wish,

and Rick, I seen on Cnn , the contract that BP made the employees sign said they were not allowed to talk to the media, BP said that was taken out of context, The Point is this, "private security" would have ZERO authority to keep anyone off of a public beach, Only LEO or other "Official agency" can do that, "Private security" only has authority on "Private Property".

Hazmat has regs that take precidence. Area must be cleared no matter who owns it.

[Rick]

That's why I said the two guys didn't know chiz. Literally thousands of hours of video have been shot by every known agency on the planet. Workers have interviewed, wildlife recovery folks have been interviewed, captains of fishing boats contracted to skim oil have been interviewed. The whole thing didn't make any sense. Why would BP care about an interview with 2 dozen workers? Other than the fact the workers don't speak for BP, what harm could it do and you know if BP really took that position it would be reported in a heartbeat and probably by the workers themselves.

You can buy it if you want. I don't. Abade, abade, that's all folks!

[Trabitha]

You're missing the point of a "security staff", Justin.
You can hire your own security guard to follow you around, but that person can not deny the media access to you if they find a way around them. He also can not deny access to the building that you're in for lunch if you're not on your work site.

In this instance, a temporary outdoor facility has been established on the beach for the purposes of cleaning up the oil spill. The sheriff of that county has authority to permit or deny any of BP's requests to employ a security staff for the purposes of keeping non-work related personnel off the premises.
Since BP has granted the media access to a media TENT where they receive information as it is released by BP, their is no media black out.

For crying out loud, people. Sometimes you DON'T need to know everything. What information do you really think you're going to get from some "bottom if the latter" guy anyway?

[Trabitha]

Hazmat has regs that take precidence. Area must be cleared no matter who owns it.

Exactly. Was going to edit mine to say that...but you did it for me. LOL!

[Justin Case]

Hazmat has regs that take precidence. Area must be cleared no matter who owns it.

I understand that, But those 2 boy scouts would not have authority to enforce an access restriction, The area where they are cleaning up the animals is protected by National Guard troops for example.

[Trabitha]

That's why I said the two guys didn't know chiz. Literally thousands of hours of video have been shot by every known agency on the planet. Workers have interviewed, wildlife recovery folks have been interviewed, captains of fishing boats contracted to skim oil have been interviewed. The whole thing didn't make any sense. Why would BP care about an interview with 2 dozen workers? Other than the fact the workers don't speak for BP, what harm could it do and you know if BP really took that position it would be reported in a heartbeat and probably by the workers themselves.

You can buy it if you want. I don't. Abade, abade, that's all folks!

Aren't you always the one that picks on our little in-house conspiracy theorists? lol! There's no conspiracy here. If I were a worker for BP and they didn't protect me during my work and down time, from the media...I would sue, and I know I'm far from the only one that would feel that way. BP is doing what every other company would do for their employees.

[Trabitha]

I understand that, But those 2 boy scouts would not have authority to enforce an access restriction, The area where they are cleaning up the animals is protected by National Guard troops for example.

That area belongs to BP. "Property of BP" is in those tents. "Private property of the workers of BP" are in those tents. Their job is to keep non BP employees out of those areas.

[Justin Case]

You're missing the point of a "security staff", Justin.
You can hire your own security guard to follow you around, but that person can not deny the media access to you if they find a way around them. He also can not deny access to the building that you're in for lunch if you're not on your work site.

No I am not, Thats exactly what I am trying to say, BP hired those guys to try and keep people from talking to the workers, and thats fine, BUT, unless that beach was officially closed, which it wasnt, anybody can go there,,, as the security supervisor allowed them to do when he got there, (the guy on the quad),

[Rick]

Hey! I'm arguing with you not against you, T. I'm on your side. There is no conspiracy here.

[Trabitha]

Hey! I'm arguing with you not against you, T. I'm on your side. There is no conspiracy here.

LOL! I must have totally misunderstood you then. My bad!

[Justin Case]

That area belongs to BP. "Property of BP" is in those tents. "Private property of the workers of BP" are in those tents. Their job is to keep non BP employees out of those areas.

Forget about the tents,, The security gaurd was trying to keep those guys off a public beach,,, They cant do that ! and when it was said and done, they didnt do that, right ?

[Justin Case]

Aren't you always the one that picks on our little in-house conspiracy theorists? lol! There's no conspiracy here. If I were a worker for BP and they didn't protect me during my work and down time, from the media...I would sue, and I know I'm far from the only one that would feel that way. BP is doing what every other company would do for their employees.

LOL, sue Who ? there is nothing illegal about media or anyone else walking up and asking someone a question in a public place,, My goodness, you watch Politics,,, what you are saying is the same as saying protesters standing on a public street yelling at somebody can be sued for being there,, Please......

[Trabitha]

No I am not, Thats exactly what I am trying to say, BP hired those guys to try and keep people from talking to the workers, and thats fine, BUT, unless that beach was officially closed, which it wasnt, anybody can go there,,, as the security supervisor allowed them to do when he got there, (the guy on the quad),

You need to understand that there is no way to protect those hundreds of of employees with a handful of security personnel, unless they are able to cordon off a "safe zone".

Yes, a supervisor allowed it to happen before, and there was most likely a complaint by a worker and the policy changed like they do in every other working situation.

What's the big deal? It's not like their hiding aliens on the beach or creating a nuclear bomb. Their cleaning oil out of sand. Wooooo!! I sure wish I could see more video of THAT. LOL! Don't worry. If there was something that could be considered a conspiracy, Janet Napaliano would be up their butts with an FBI team. LOL!!

...serious question...if they did allow for those employees to be interviewed regularly...what exactly are WE going to do with the 'information' that we get? Get pissed off? Complain? Take care of it...er...yeah...THAT'S not going to happen. It will don nothing but entertain the masses, and the bottom line is that this situation is not here to entertain you or me. They are working their butts off to clean up a HUGE mess, that is getting worse by the day. Wanna know what they're doing behind the scenes? Get a job with BP or volunteer to help with the clean up.

[Trabitha]

Forget about the tents,, The security gaurd was trying to keep those guys off a public beach,,, They cant do that ! and when it was said and done, they didnt do that, right ?

Those tents were where employees were at. The buffer gave them a safe place for them to be. It's really very simple.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

I understand that, But those 2 boy scouts would not have authority to enforce an access restriction, The area where they are cleaning up the animals is protected by National Guard troops for example.

The authority is with the law. I have first responder cards as truck driver that authorize me to clear areas of people. Responsibilty and training at many levels. My 126F card only authorizes me but also mandates that I report, make an attempt at containment if reasonable and keep people away.

[Rick]

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[Justin Case]

You need to understand that there is no way to protect those hundreds of of employees with a handful of security personnel, unless they are able to cordon off a "safe zone".

Yes, a supervisor allowed it to happen before, and there was most likely a complaint by a worker and the policy changed like they do in every other working situation.

What's the big deal? It's not like their hiding aliens on the beach or creating a nuclear bomb. Their cleaning oil out of sand. Wooooo!! I sure wish I could see more video of THAT. LOL! Don't worry. If there was something that could be considered a conspiracy, Janet Napaliano would be up their butts with an FBI team. LOL!!

...serious question...if they did allow for those employees to be interviewed regularly...what exactly are WE going to do with the 'information' that we get? Get pissed off? Complain? Take care of it...er...yeah...THAT'S not going to happen. It will don nothing but entertain the masses, and the bottom line is that this situation is not here to entertain you or me. They are working their butts off to clean up a HUGE mess, that is getting worse by the day. Wanna know what they're doing behind the scenes? Get a job with BP or volunteer to help with the clean up.

I am not talking about interviews right now,, I am talking about a private person telling another private person they cannot go onto a public beach that has not been closed by an official agency. as for the interviews, The "security " gaurds cant do anything about that either, its up to the interview-ee, The only reason those "security" gaurds were there is because 90% of the public (or more) would believe they had authority and not go onto the beach,, I AM NOT SAYING anyone should be there bothering the workers.

[Trabitha]

LOL, sue Who ? there is nothing illegal about media or anyone else walking up and asking someone a question in a public place,, My goodness, you watch Politics,,, what you are saying is the same as saying protesters standing on a public street yelling at somebody can be sued for being there,, Please......

Sue my employer for not giving me a safe place to work. Have you ever read your employee handbook, dude?

You don't seem to see the difference here. This isn't someone on the street. They aren't protesters. They are EMPLOYEES of a large corporation, brought there to do a job. They are allotted the same rights as any other employee in the USA. Just like road crews can't talk to the media when they are working on a highway project. It's UNSAFE. If the employees wished to be interviewed, they are more than capable of walking the...what...100 yards to the mass of media personnel to speak up.

[Rick]

Ooooh! And he guppied. Justin had a strong offense going and buckled. He started backin' up and the bells started beepin'.

He sure did. Trabitha pushed him into that corner and stuck him there. I like your use of the word guppied, too.

Thanks. You don't hear that too often anymore.

[Trabitha]

I am not talking about interviews right now,, I am talking about a private person telling another private person they cannot go onto a public beach that has not been closed by an official agency. as for the interviews, The "security " gaurds cant do anything about that either, its up to the interview-ee, The only reason those "security" gaurds were there is because 90% of the public (or more) would believe they had authority and not go onto the beach,, I AM NOT SAYING anyone should be there bothering the workers.

So you changed the subject? 1) a private person doesn't have a camera and microphone. 2) if the beach is a work area, they DO have the right to tell ANYONE that they can't be there. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?? Did you want to go SWIMMING in the oil and use it as a deep moisture bath or something?

If you're on the beach that they are trying to clean you ARE bothering the workers. Just like I can't walk into a work zone on a "public street", I can't walk on to a work zone on a "public beach."