BP Oil

[Ken]

I just took another look at that picture, and it has been photo edited. I edit photos, and that image DOES NOT follow the shirt shadow contour.

THIS is a photo-edited picture:


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[DOGMAN]

Pay little heed to the doom and gloom merchants(the mass media). They are not in the hope or "look on bright" business. The bay wherein the Exxon Valdez spill happened was cleaned up and back to normal in under 10 years.

Sure, there was a major clean-up after the Exxon Valdez and alot of recovery has taken place....but, back to normal in under 10 years? Where are you getting your info? Its now been over 20 years- and its still not back to the way it was before the spill. Talk to people who live around Valdez, and they tell of oil underneath the sand and rocks around many spots in Prince William Sound. The population of orca's and sea otters has not rebounded signficantly and the regions herring fishery crashed. Plus, the human cultural impact has been huge due to the constant stess associated with litigation over the spill.

[Justin Case]

I just took another look at that picture, and it has been photo edited. I edit photos, and that image DOES NOT follow the shirt shadow contour.

No Its not, you can see the shadow from his right hand on his jacket AND on the shirt. at least thats how I see it.

[HeritageFarm]

In my opinion, it speaks volumes about how you think. Now I have a better idea of the type of person I'm talking to.

You think from one picture that is edited you now know who you're talking to? You think that since you've seen someone with fists, you know who I am? Your logic is very flawed. I have done all the talking, and you have done nothing but disagree. You haven't said anything yet about your opinions, just disagreed. I am now going to ask you where you stand on these issues, although it looks to me like we need a new topic, because I haven't seen BP mentioned since 2 pages ago.
"98% of farms are family-owned"
That makes no difference. Yes, they are mostly family owned, that has no bearing on their size, and most of them sell to the Big Boys. Cargill is a massive food company, and they quaintly call themselves "Family Owned".

[HeritageFarm]

No Its not, you can see the shadow from his right hand on his jacket AND on the shirt. at least thats how I see it.

The bottom right corner sticks past the fold in the shirt, and the image does not conform to his body like it would if it was actually there.

[Ken]

Here it is from a different angle.

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[Justin Case]

Sure, there was a major clean-up after the Exxon Valdez and alot of recovery has taken place....but, back to normal in under 10 years? Where are you getting your info? Its now been over 20 years- and its still not back to the way it was before the spill. Talk to people who live around Valdez, and they tell of oil underneath the sand and rocks around many spots in Prince William Sound. The population of orca's and sea otters has not rebounded signficantly and the regions herring fishery crashed. Plus, the human cultural impact has been huge due to the constant stess associated with litigation over the spill.

Yes, Exactly Right, Here is a good article ,

Snippet,

By Yereth Rosen – Thu May 13, 4:44 pm ET
Anchorage, Alaska – Two decades after the Exxon Valdez supertanker ran aground and ripped open its cargo tanks, the spill still marks Alaska's environment. Pockets of fresh crude are buried in beaches scattered around Prince William Sound and segments outside it, in isolated spots along more than 1,200 miles of coastline that received oil in 1989.
The discovery confounded earlier predictions that remnant crude would quickly weather and disperse as waves washed it into the sea.
"At this rate, the remaining oil will take decades and possibly centuries to disappear entirely," concluded the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Trustee Council, the federal-state panel that administers the $900 million civil settlement struck in 1991 between the governments and Exxon for natural resource damages.

Continued @ http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/299887

[Justin Case]

Here it is from a different angle.

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Ha ha, Thats 100% unedited, you can even seethe shirt follow the contour of his adams apple,

[Ken]

I enjoy honest debate. It's the bull$hit and unsupported allegations of fact that I can do without.

[Justin Case]

And bright Red in your face letters

[crashdive123]

Remember - play nice everybody.

[HeritageFarm]

Ha ha, Thats 100% unedited, you can even seethe shirt follow the contour of his adams apple,

OK, close up I can see it isn't. But this isn't the same pic, is it?
Ken: I have references... But most of what I say is common sense. Mega-farms can BE sustainable, but it is easier and better yet on the environment to have local food the main course. Even large sustainable farms have to have their food shipped all over.

[Justin Case]

OK, close up I can see it isn't. But this isn't the same pic, is it?

Doesn't really matter, he's wearing it,

[Ken]

OK, close up I can see it isn't. But this isn't the same pic, is it?
Ken: I have references... But most of what I say is common sense. Mega-farms can BE sustainable, but it is easier and better yet on the environment to have local food the main course. Even large sustainable farms have to have their food shipped all over.

I'm surrounded by small farms with farm stands. I grow some of my own stuff. I ALWAYS buy local when available. Not too many avocados or oranges growing around here.

I don't think I spend $100 a year on produce at the supermarket.

[crashdive123]

He’s a journalism professor at UC Berkley. His formal training has been in journalism and English.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pollan

It seems that he is a wee bit of a radical that thinks the lifestyles of those that do not live as he sees fit are not worthy of consideration. It seems as though he would be happier if somebody or something controlled the way others behaved.

http://www.grist.org/article/pollan/

Just my thoughts on the cited reference.

[2dumb2kwit]

OK, close up I can see it isn't. But this isn't the same pic, is it?
Ken: I have references... But most of what I say is common sense. Mega-farms can BE sustainable, but it is easier and better yet on the environment to have local food the main course. Even large sustainable farms have to have their food shipped all over.

You mean like the 25% of farm production that gets exported, to countries that cannot produce enough food to feed their people. Should we not ship that food, and let those millions of people starve?

[2dumb2kwit]

I'm surrounded by small farms with farm stands. I grow some of my own stuff. I ALWAYS buy local when available. Not too many avocados or oranges growing around here.

I don't think I spend $100 a year on produce at the supermarket.

Same here. And some times of the year, things just aren't available locally.

[huntermj]

Good Lord!

[2dumb2kwit]

You think from one picture that is edited you now know who you're talking to? Nope....that's just an example, that I posted. I have plenty of reasons to think what I do. I'm not going to bother posting all of them.
You think that since you've seen someone with fists, you know who I am?
See above answer.
Your logic is very flawed. I have done all the talking, and you have done nothing but disagree. You haven't said anything yet about your opinions, just disagreed.
My opinion is that you are posting things that are either incorrect, misleading, or both. I am merely responding to that, so that others may see the truth.
I am now going to ask you where you stand on these issues, although it looks to me like we need a new topic, because I haven't seen BP mentioned since 2 pages ago.
"98% of farms are family-owned"
That makes no difference. Yes, they are mostly family owned, that has no bearing on their size, and most of them sell to the Big Boys. Cargill is a massive food company, and they quaintly call themselves "Family Owned".

Instead of arguing about whether or not he's a radical, why don't you show us some supporting evidence of the things that you are quoting.

[HeritageFarm]

Same here. And some times of the year, things just aren't available locally.

So can and preserve. If you're on a Wilderness Survival forum, you know the best way to survive is to mimic nature.