Pesticides Cause ADHD

**Chris** · 05-17-2010, 10:51 AM

This is a great example of junk science. Of people with an agenda wanting a conclusion and then making evidence to match.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100517/...pphu-container

So these government researchers asked parents if they thought their kids were hyper, and they used this as a diagnosis of ADHD. No psychiatrist, just the parent's opinion.

Then they took a one time urine sample from the kids, this sample of waste from the child's most recent meal was taken as an indicator of all the food the child has eaten from birth, and the food his mom ate while pregnant.

If they found pesticide residue in the urine, they decided that this must be causing ADHD in the brain, because if it is in the urine it must be in the brain too, and if it is in the brain, it must be causing ADHD. Because 10% more parents in this very small study had an opinion saying their kid was hyper when the kid ended up having a little bit of fresh fruit with his last meal. This is a classic cum hoc fallacy. Two things coming at the same time, must have a causal relationship. Like if you hear thunder right when a bird flies overhead, you must logically think the bird created thunder.

Every step of the way these people failed the scientific method. You should learn to recognize these things as scare tactics and remember to think for yourself when presented with research.

Consequently, pesticides used to be stronger, and more heavily used, and yet ADHD, supposedly, is exponentially more common today. Obviously, logic dictates pesticide use back in the 1950s was preventing ADHD.

**Justin Case** · 05-17-2010, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Chris

This is a great example of junk science. Of people with an agenda wanting a conclusion and then making evidence to match.

Its Like the Swine Flu Hoax,, Want to make Millions ? Invent a Disease and Market the Cure,

**Rick** · 05-17-2010, 11:05 AM

I use pesticides all the time....what was this thread about?

**Winnie** · 05-17-2010, 11:16 AM

Sorry, I don't even buy into ADHD, let alone causes.

**crashdive123** · 05-17-2010, 06:00 PM

I've had to appear before the State Senate Agricultural committee several times regarding pesticide and fertilizer issues. It is very disconcerting to see the lengths that those who oppose their use go to to achieve their goals. Even more disappointing is the lack of courage by so many politicians to stand up to those that lie to achieve their goal.

**Justin Case** · 05-17-2010, 06:08 PM

We Have a Crop Duster Here (Bill) He is always getting sued. He says ,by people claiming sickness from the Chemicals he sprays,, They never win Because all the Hay fields on on Tribal Land ,, If you look at a Map of this area it looks like a Checker board , Whats Tribal Land and what Isnt, He even got Shot Down Once by some old Fart with 30/06,, Because The Plane woke him up, Bill Crash Landed in a Feild, Last I heard The shooter was in Prison , was a Federal Crime, Bill (Pilot) was Not injured but it cost him a couple Hundred Thousand dollars to fix his Plane,,,,,, Hmmm, what was This thread about

**Ken** · 05-17-2010, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by crashdive123

It is very disconcerting to see the lengths that those who oppose their use go to to achieve their goals.

They're makin' big campaign contributions, huh?

Originally Posted by crashdive123

Even more disappointing is the lack of courage by so many politicians to stand up to those that lie to achieve their goal.

Them big campaign contributions musta' bought some votes, huh?

Boy, would I like to write a new campaign finance law. The courts can say what they want. Contributions by unions and corporations and major interest groups have little to do with freedom of speech and are intended to accomplish one thing only - BUY VOTES AND POLITICAL LOYALTY.

Tell me again? This is different from a bribe, how?

**Camp10** · 05-17-2010, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Ken

Contributions by unions and corporations and major interest groups have little to do with freedom of speech and are intended to accomplish one thing only - BUY VOTES AND POLITICAL LOYALTY.

Tell me again? This is different from a bribe, how?

Man, I hate to go up against a lawyer especially when I agree with you on so many other things you post but the only way a guy like me gets a voice at all is through the special interest groups I am part of. I am NRA, a union schmuck, Sportsmans Alliance of Maine, and a few others. No politician would care at all about my causes if there wasnt a million or more others saying it with me. Just my 2 cents.

**Ken** · 05-17-2010, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Camp10

Man, I hate to go up against a lawyer especially when I agree with you on so many other things you post but the only way a guy like me gets a voice at all is through the special interest groups I am part of. I am NRA, a union schmuck, Sportsmans Alliance of Maine, and a few others. No politician would care at all about my causes if there wasnt a million or more others saying it with me. Just my 2 cents.

Camp, here's my take on that: The association can publicly endorse candidates and ask their members to make direct contributions to specific candidates, and the members can contribute INDIVIDUALLY should they choose to do so and enclose a note with their contribution stating just why.

My biggest concern of all is public employee unions. They ruined Greece and we aren't far behind.

**Ken** · 05-17-2010, 06:39 PM

BTW, Camp, I was a union steward myself at one time. The union supported and contributed to candidates I wouldn't have voted for in a million years.

**Camp10** · 05-17-2010, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Ken

BTW, Camp, I was a union steward myself at one time. The union supported and contributed to candidates I wouldn't have voted for in a million years.

Agreed, me too. I guess I should have left the union out of this. I would rather see term limits than see contributions to politicians go away. Just MO

**crashdive123** · 05-17-2010, 06:46 PM

I'm not opposed to groups contributing. What I am opposed to, and I think Ken has already said it, is for groups using money (union dues) to support causes and people that their membership may not. For the NRA, most of my donations go to the ILA (Institute for Legislative Action) which is used for causes that are clearly stated.

**Ken** · 05-17-2010, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Camp10

Agreed, me too. I guess I should have left the union out of this. I would rather see term limits than see contributions to politicians go away. Just MO

Remember when your neighbors in Mass enacted term limits by voter referendum a few years back? Remember how the legislature immediately repealed that vote and stated that the voters didn't realize what they had voted for?

I guess the voters also didn't realize WHO they voted had for, either.

**Camp10** · 05-17-2010, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Ken

Remember when your neighbors in Mass enacted term limits by voter referendum a few years back? Remember how the legislature immediately repealed that vote and stated that the voters didn't realize what they had voted for?

I guess the voters also didn't realize WHO they voted had for, either.

See..so it is a greater evil then contributions!

**Ken** · 05-17-2010, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Camp10

See..so it is a greater evil then contributions!

See? There's another thing we agree on 100%!

**Camp10** · 05-17-2010, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Ken

See? There's another thing we agree on 100%!

Well, that went full circle rather quickly... I suppose I could let this thread go back to topic now.

**Ken** · 05-17-2010, 07:30 PM

Okay, back on topic. I firmly believe that a diagnosis of ADHD is a convenient way to classify kids and throw 'em on medication to make them more "managable." Most who are diagnosed ADHD probably are not.

Take a look at the DSMR-IV. Tell me just how many people you know who WOULDN'T fall into one or more of those diagnoses.

It's virtually impossible for kids to even learn HOW to concentrate today. Life is one distraction and interruption after another.

Cell phones. Land Lines. Door Bells. Text Messages. Pop-up Screens. Loud Commercials. Instant Messages. The list goes on.

I was the first kid on the block to get a cell phone in my car in like, 1980?

I loved it, because I used it for outgoing calls as necessary, and it had a speaker that worked well enough to make it really hands-free. Very few people had my number, so I got very few incoming calls.

Today, I drove about 140 miles and was in the car for 3 hours. I just looked at my cell phone. No outgoing anything. 17 incoming calls (most ignored) and 11 incoming text messages (all ignored). I really prefer to concentrate on my driving and the idiots weaving in and out of the highway traffic.