FBI raids....

[Pict]

There are two people in all of these militia groups. There is the total nutcase that wants to "do something" right now, he's all for breaking the law, making bombs etc. Then there is the government informant who needs to work out a deal with law enforcement because he's dirty. The second guy's job is to get the first guy to "do something". They always nip it in the planning stages as they (allegedly) did here. It's actually a very good tactic for law enforcement to use and has already saved many lives I'm sure. Why anyone would want to be involved with either of these two people is a real mystery to me.

As for their Christian beliefs, speaking as an ordained Baptist Pastor (full disclosure), these guys are on the extreme far fringe. The return of Christ is a mainstream, historic Christian doctrine for which there is a great deal of direct teaching in the New Testament. Views of the end times prophecies differ among the various denominations due to differences in method of interpretation of the Bible but even a casual reading of the Bible will show that it teaches that Christ will return, nobody argues that point. To go from that clear teaching to "I have to lock and load to kill the minions of the anti-Christ" is a real leap. Mac

[doug1980]

Sure are some nutcases out there. These types of groups can never seem to find a happy medium. It's always done to the extreme. I feel something must be done in this Country, but I know that's not it.

[Rick]

Is it just me but if you're going to be a member of the "Army of God" shouldn't you know a little bit about him? Wouldn't it be a good idea to know that the eleventh commandment is NOT "Kill a cop for pop"? I mean, just drivin' down the road and reading those signs out front of churches should give you some basis to question whether committing mass murder should really part of the overall plan. And how do you address your dad when he's also your commanding officer? Is it Colonel dad, sir? Or just Colonel dad?

[crashdive123]

I have a hunch that their family tree does not fork. Just sayin'.

[Rick]

Fork might be an improvement. I think they have the knife version.

"Sgt. Jason, son. Have the squad fall in."
"Yes, sir, Colonel dad, sir."
"Squad. Ten hut!...........Corporal mom, you can't fall in with an apron on."
"But I have brownies in the oven."
"Corporal mom has brownies in the oven Colonel dad."
"We'll make this quick then, Sgt son and reconvene in the kitchen."

[crashdive123]

I wonder if they know the folks over at Westboro Baptist?

[BENESSE]

Is it just me but if you're going to be a member of the "Army of God" shouldn't you know a little bit about him?

It's just you.
When has knowing about God's teachings been a prerequisite to interpreting his will? (usually to one's advantage)
Half the time I can't even interpret what my husband is saying.

[Alaskan Survivalist]

We have strayed so far from the Constitution its meaning has been lost. A militia is a civilian army to help defend the nation and serve under the governments commands. These days that's the National Guard. The 2nd Amendment is to provide for armed men to be organized to quickly into an Army, period. Most of the so called militia has no government affiliation and most are just trying to defend thier right to own guns thinking that belonging to a militia protects thier gun rights and nobody else will be able to own guns. Court precidence now dictates our gun rights. Guns have a lure for people that otherwise feel helpless in thier lives and as much as I like guns most of the gun culture is repulsive to me. Look how heated gun topics can become, there is some degree of phycological disorder there.

[Pict]

The militia is the armed and able bodied public banded together to preserve and protect what we hold in common not a small group of like minded individuals banded together to defend what they hold in particular. That would be an armed faction, a gang, organized crime etc.

When a group decides it will be armed to defend it's beliefs, property, or way of life to the disregard of the law or in opposition to it that is rebellion against legitimate authority.

Now when those in authority usurp the laws that limit the conditions and terms of their office they are no longer acting with legal authority. There is no legal authority beyond the will of the people that put them in their elected positions according to law and they have to respect the legal limit of their authority. Now it is an open and healthy point of debate if the Federal government is acting within those limits or has surpassed them. The proper legal channel for that challenge is in the court system and the pushback by the State governments.

This is a two way street. When people cross the line of legality in defense of their particular beliefs they should expect to be prosecuted. When a government usurps the authority of the people or the laws that limit it's scope or power they should expect to be challenged, but that challenge has a legal remedy here that does not involve bloodshed. It may not be an instant remedy but it works well enough. Mac

[Rick]

The media hung the label on them. Sells more advertising space I guess. Personally, I just love the smell of right wing fanatics in the morning.

[Pict]

The media hung the label on them. Sells more advertising space I guess. Personally, I just love the smell of right wing fanatics in the morning.

Now I'm worried about you, Rick.

It is a bit surreal that if you believe in such things as biblical morality, fiscal responsibility, and the preservation of constitutional authority that you can be labeled a radical anti-establishment extremist.

Politics goes in cycles. The real danger is when either right or left grabs the pendulum and ties it off on their side. That's pretty much what happened here in Brazil. They had a hard right military dictatorship for so long that when it lost power the left took over with such force that there is no actual debate between right and left here. The political right in Brazil is actually akin to the moderate democrats in the US. The Center (President Lula -Workers Party) is the moderate communist and the left are the marxist/lenninists.

Mac

[Pal334]

When a "group" such as this advocates this type of activity:
"According to the plan, the indictment says, the Hutaree wanted to use improvised explosive devices to attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession." http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/29/...sts/index.html

They deserve to be charged, tried and hopefully convicted of terrorism

[BENESSE]

When a "group" such as this advocates this type of activity:
"According to the plan, the indictment says, the Hutaree wanted to use improvised explosive devices to attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession." http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/29/...sts/index.html

They deserve to be charged, tried and hopefully convicted of terrorism

Amen, Pal.
That's all anyone needs to know about it. The actions were indefensible on ANY level.

[Batch]

Here is a little tidbit I had to share...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-..._b_517031.html

Nevermind the liberal source, the writer is a good writer...

The article picks what they want from the gospel regarding Jesus and a sword.

I think Jesus was ripe to throw off the yoke of servitude to Rome. He knew that as individuals there was little they could do to fight the Romans. So when wronged or smited by a Roman it was better to turn the other cheek so that they could live and fight another day.

Also:
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

They had winter coming and he said sell your coat and buy a sword, bring you money and travelers bag for food.

Sounds to me like they were talkin bout a revolution!

[crashdive123]

This was no militia, but rather a cult IMO.

[BENESSE]

Jesus is coming.
Look busy.

[Batch]

We have strayed so far from the Constitution its meaning has been lost. A militia is a civilian army to help defend the nation and serve under the governments commands. These days that's the National Guard. The 2nd Amendment is to provide for armed men to be organized to quickly into an Army, period. Most of the so called militia has no government affiliation and most are just trying to defend thier right to own guns thinking that belonging to a militia protects thier gun rights and nobody else will be able to own guns. Court precidence now dictates our gun rights. Guns have a lure for people that otherwise feel helpless in thier lives and as much as I like guns most of the gun culture is repulsive to me. Look how heated gun topics can become, there is some degree of phycological disorder there.

I disagree. We can only look at our own revolution to see where our forefathers stood. After the Boston Massacre and Hancock being harassed for smuggling tea. Hancock in-sighted a riot and tarred and feathered a tax collector.

The reaction to these acts of rebellion were to seize all firearms in Boston and outlaw there possession. That simple decree expedited the revolution. We could not have fought if they were disarmed and we might still be British citizens had the followed those law full orders.

After the war there were some rights that were so fundemental that some thought it incredulous that they even had to be mentioned. One right was the right to say what ANYTHING you want. The other right was to protect yourself and your family and their freedom with adequate force to ensure your success.

Most Americans at that time believed this:

In no particular order, early American settlers viewed the right to arms and/or the right to bear arms and state militias as important for one or more of these purposes:[23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32]

* deterring undemocratic government;
* repelling invasion;
* suppressing insurrection;
* facilitating a natural right of self-defense;
* participating in law enforcement;
* slave control in slave states.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_...s_Constitution

I am not supporting these "militias". Merely, respectfully arguing a different view on militias as a whole. Most did not support violence in the revolution. Some romanticized it and agitated it. The Boston Tea Party was a false flag terrorist act. The participants dressed as natives to shift the blame to the natives which in no way could further there agenda than shifting British scrutiny.

Good and bad on both sides mixed to get us where we are and that is how we will get where we are going. Where ever that may be.

But, should the civilians of this country once again rebel. We could only hope to win with guerrilla fighting and good propaganda.

I personally don't see it coming to that...

[Rick]

Well, you see, Mac. That was a play on Robert Duvall's famous scene in Apocalypse Now. He loved the smell of napalm in the morning. Napalm is a metaphor for Hell, so I love the smell of burning right wing fanatics. Oh, never mind....now you went and ruined it for me.

[Rick]

Batch - There were a number of things that instigated the American Revolution but the primary impetus was taxation without representation. In fact, it originally began because the thirteen colonies were being governed without representation. Officially, the Revolutionary era started in 1763. The taxation laws were only considered wrong because the American colonies lacked representation in the House of Parliament. It wasn't the refusal to pay taxes but to pay taxes without elected representation, which was seen as a violation of the rights of an Englishman. The founding fathers still considered themselves Englishmen under the law.

[Pict]

Well, you see, Mac. That was a play on Robert Duvall's famous scene in Apocalypse Now. He loved the smell of napalm in the morning. Napalm is a metaphor for Hell, so I love the smell of burning right wing fanatics. Oh, never mind....now you went and ruined it for me.

Rick,

I read that and had this mental image of waking up with you leaning over my hammock in the morning. It gave me the creeps.

Robert Duvall, got it.

Kilgore: Smell that? You smell that?

Lance: What?

Kilgore: Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like...victory. Someday this war's gonna end...

Classic,

Mac