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    Default Penny-pinching Gardener gets by on Only $120 a Year

    The following is from a Sept. 1986 newspaper article. Very interesting and I don't think this story is told anywhere else. If anyone can find this or more info please post it.

    There is not very much from a google search about Bill Hatke but there are a couple sites which I will give one at the end of this article. And here is one out of many stories, books etc. that helped inspire me in the 1980's to become a good survivalist who can live on little money, build a survival retreat and Live differently than most do. The article which I typed out >

    Headline: Penny Pincher Gets By on Only $120 a Year

    "Bill Hatke sure knows how to stretch a buck: the incredible 41 year old Kansas man lives on $120 a Year and $98 of that goes for property taxes!

    But Hatke's no bum. He has two master's degrees in analytic philosophy and clinical psychology. And a Ph.D in sociology.

    Despite his education, he earns his tiny income by gardening with hand tools on his 50 by 150 foot lot and four other lots owned by friends. He gives these friends part of his produce and sells the rest to individuals and restaurants in the city of Lawrence, Kansas where he lives.

    Last year Hatke brought in $350. After paying his $98 property taxes he put $150 in savings for emergencies - loaned or gave $80 to friends - and spent the rest, a mere $22 on himself.
    "It seems a fantastically small amount to survive on for a whole year but he owns his house, has no bills and grows everything he eats," says Margene Swarts, Lawrence's Housing and Environmental Inspector.

    Explains Hatke, "I decided to drop out of the rat race and live my life free from the needs of money and other material possessions. I have no electricity, phone, running water, TV, stereo or other money gobbling habits. And I'm the happiest guy in the world for it."


    Hatke was studying at the University of Kansas and living in a modern gadget-filled condo when he decided he wanted a simpler life.
    "I remembered how I felt as a kid, letting the earth in our garden run through my fingers and I decided to become a gardener."

    After graduation Hatke took his first step toward his dream by taking two jobs to earn enough cash to buy his small $7,000 four room wooden house. Then he quit his jobs and began gardening.
    "The first thing to go was the phone," he said, "I figured if I needed to speak to somebody, I could go see them. And for out of town family or friends the U.S. mail works just fine.
    Next to go was natural gas. I bought an old wood stove for $10 and started using it for heat and cooking. Mother Nature helped me get rid of running water during a deadly cold spell in the winter of 1982 - 83 when my pipes froze and burst.
    I built a system to collect rainwater and run it into a makeshift cistern in an unfinished basement alcove beneath my bathroom. And now, when I need water, I simply haul it up in a five-gallon plastic bucket."

    In 1985, Hatke made his hardest cutback - electricity. "I liked to watch reruns of 'All in the Family', M*A*S*H and 'Barney Miller' but I felt I was dependent on an outside authority. So I had to cut it off."

    Hatke gave away his TV and radio, bought some candles and a battery powered transistor radio - then he began charging the batteries at a friend's house in return for vegetables.
    "In the spring, summer and fall I'm in my gardens. In the winter, I read books friends give me, keep a daily journal etc.
    For entertainment, I play cards and Scrabble two nights a week. And I go to the movies once a year to keep up with trends."

    To maintain his life-style in 1986, Hatke stuck to his budget: property tax, $98; vegetable seeds, $3; handsaw blade, $5; 10 chickens, $5; chicken feed, $3; one movie ticket, $4; transistor radio batteries, $2.
    "This year my budget will be smaller because I learned to sharpen my saw blade so I won't have to buy a new one," Hatke says.

    Adds local author Kelly Kindscher, who studied Hatke's life-style for a book she plans to write: "He doesn't want to climb the big corporate ladder or be a big success in the rat race. So Bill Hatke is one of the most educated and independent gardeners in the world. He's astonishing!"

    There were some photos in the newpaper article which here are the captions >

    Back to Basics: Bill Hatke, who doesn't have electricity, reads by the light of an oil lamp and cooks on a woodstove.

    Green thumb: Bill proudly shows off samples from his garden.

    3rd caption: Bill grimaces as he takes a break while working in his vegetable garden.



    I wonder If there are many or any others today who try to live on little money. Probably very very few especially who own their own property who do. Property taxes are much more today. Although mine as I have said before are now $208 a year on my mtn land. And I know of no one who lives on less money than I do, unless they are homeless.

    And here is one link that tells a little more with even a pic of Bill Hatke > http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...26tbs%3Disch:1

    Any other links to his life and life-style will be welcome as well as any comments.


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    From the looks of the one wordpress blog I found
    http://billhatke.wordpress.com/
    you are gonna be hard pressed to find a "how to" as to how he lived the way he did. From the brief bit I read of his writing (far far too heavy for 5 am on a Sunday morning) he was a very well-educated, well-worded man whose close friends seem to idolize, but seemed to be rather introverted and private. Good Luck.

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    I don't buy the numbers. Of course it doesn't matter if I do or not but it just seems something is missing from the article. Assume it is entirely correct. You still need to add in flour, salt, and sugar for a year. He still relies on others generosity for books, battery charging, etc. so he's still connected albeit through someone else.

    We could certainly reduce our expenditures, if we wanted to, but I don't think anyone can live on $350 a year in this country and be entirely independent.
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    Well, it was in 1986 and from one recent link from after he died in 2007 it said he did live on a few hundred dollars a year.

    And I hate to say it but that article I typed out and saved from Sept. 1986 is from National Enquirer and so I am sure it is perfectly accurate.

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    Intresting, post.
    I have followed several accounts of people living like that.
    It seems thay have made a profession out of not having a profession.

    I sure it makes good copy and could be done, but for most people the this life style isn't for them.

    I sure we can all use some of the tips, and methods, but not for me.
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    Has anyone ever read Possum Living by Dolly Freed? She and her father lived on a couple thousand a year in, I think the late 60s-early 70s. Interesting read.
    Check it out.

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    Mike, I'm not slighting you or the article. I've read a number of articles similar to that and it seems like they always rely on friends and neighbors for things they don't have. If it said he lived on $5K a year (even in '86) then I would be more inclined to believe it. Just my opinion on the matter be it right or wrong.
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    I would question the numbers too. I like the idea of living frugal, and it sounds as though he cut all that could be cut, but the number just don't seem to add up.

    None the less, it was an interesting story - thanks for posting it.
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    I believe I could live on that equivelant value also, especially by mooching from the neighbors. However, assuming it is even possible, WHY? Educating people on the concept , learning the skills etc is fine and dandy, but it would appear that his sense of reality was somewhat out of balance.
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    (dragging freezer over to Pal's house)

    Hey, buddy. Can I plug this in for a bit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    (dragging freezer over to Pal's house)

    Hey, buddy. Can I plug this in for a bit?
    Excellent, you are on your way I will happily pay the freight
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    Thanks for the thanks and comments everyone.

    I also posted this in another forum and got a lot of comments but not as skeptical or as well thought out as most of yours. Are you all into reality or something around here?

    That is a good link LowKey and I have read some of that although there is a Lot to read there and a couple other places about Bill Hatke. Which I have not read everything.

    They say he was shy, introverted but friendly and did have lots of friends who he helped and they helped him.

    He sounds a lot like me in many ways but he was gay and I am NOT, although with 2 masters and a PhD which sounds like a Lot of time in college and then end up gardening. I have 3 years of college but went in a different direction. I also have never wanted to be part of the rat race or advance on the corporate ladder etc. etc.

    Which this tells the reason Why Hatke did what the did >
    Explains Hatke, "I decided to drop out of the rat race and live my life free from the needs of money and other material possessions. I have no electricity, phone, running water, TV, stereo or other money gobbling habits. And I'm the happiest guy in the world for it."

    Hatke was studying at the University of Kansas and living in a modern gadget-filled condo when he decided he wanted a simpler life.
    "I remembered how I felt as a kid, letting the earth in our garden run through my fingers and I decided to become a gardener."

    I also have read some similar articles such as a guy who lives in a cave near Moah, Utah although he goes to that town to the library and has a blog with a large following. He also has friends that help him and he dumpster dives, which is all ok but not self-sufficient. Link to guy in cave with some good pics > http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13843274

    Being self-sufficient is very difficult and I know of no one who is completely that way even the very few who live completely off-grid. Maybe someone has a link to any who are completely self-sufficient?

    And LowKey I have read some of Possum Living by Dolly Freed. Which I googled that and mainly got links to buy the book. Which I do Not buy books or anything on the net. Or anywhere, don't think I have bought a new book for ten plus years. Mainly buy books at garage sales which I think I have bought more than half of everything I own at garage and other sales.

    But here is one link about Possum living without having to buy the book > http://www.wikihow.com/Live-the-DIY-...ssum-Living%22

    Which I have actually done most of that especially when I bought my mtn place in 1987. This coming summer and fall I plan to live off the land more by growing more vegetables than I usually have and even fishing and hunting more. Maybe next year if/when I come back I will tell how that all worked out.

    AND over the past 2 or 3 months I have Never seen so many posts especially in a busy S...boards forum where people are asking how to live on little money, how to go into the wilderness and live off the land and escape the rat race etc.
    Over the past few months have any on this wilderness forum asked about living off the land, going into wilderness etc?


    Which I and a few others have told these posters to Not just go into the wilderness and try to live off the land. They would probably die within a month. It is much more difficult than most realize even though camping in the wild is nice, especially when the weather is warm and storm free. People have to be very knowledgeable and experienced to be able to live off the land. And even then it is difficult.

    But as I said earlier I do plan to try to live off the land more than I ever have before.
    Also at least 3 guys have said they will come up this summer and try to camp etc. from July to Nov. probably near my land in the national forest but sometimes they can come around if they need my help or advice.
    One guy who has been living in Arizona for a year in a tipi, has said he is riding a horse from AZ and will try to be at my mtn retreat by mid June.

    One guy said he was just going to squat on land in Montana and try to live for a year. I don't think he knew what he was talking about and all these people I don't think have camped for more than a week at a time, if that.

    And I have gotten dozens of messages/emails from people saying they would like to go into the Rocky Mountains even to visit my mtn place but they cannot get away or not enough money etc.

    Anyway, I have Never seen so awful many people over the past two months who are saying they want to go into the wild and get away from the rat race and everything. Wonder if something unusual is happening out there or What???
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    The other thing folks need to remember is that in many cases individuals like this have either undiagnosed problems or have diagnosed problems but refuse to utilize medication. Manic depressive individuals often become reclusive. I don't know Mr. Hatke and I'm certainly not suggesting he had any problems. Nor am I suggesting that everyone that lives a reclusive lifestyle has an illness of any type. Only that when you read stories like this there may be underlying reasons not discussed in the article as to why they live the way they do.
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    Well, MM, It seems the society romanticizes these stories, and people.

    Maybe it is a burning desire to live a simple life, ala Thoreau's "Walden Pond" which I think everybody has to some degree.

    You have had some experience with tying this lifestyle, so your knowable and experience gives more weight to your views.

    I will just say that it isn't for everyone, but needs to be experienced to truly get the idea.
    Not my cup of tea, I need some interaction with other people after a few weeks or so.

    I think if you do have visitors and or Pilgrims, it will give you an even better idea.

    Good subject, and does force others to look inside themselves and wonder.

    Not sure if it's the same guy, but a cave dweller was evicted for his cave as it was on federal land.
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    I think it's romantic notion to think people like this exist, but everytime I've seen on ethere's always a catch. I've yet to meet or see a case where someone truly lived off grid and was entirely self sufficient.

    We're all tied to the medical industry whether we pay for it or not. I haven't even seen anyone who can get by on their own with all but that.

    Most if not all of these survivor types that make their living off selling the notion; survival shows, books, youtube, survival and wilderness living schools, have expensive or at least modern homes, modern conveniences, insurance and what have you as much or more than anyone else.

    Aside from medical I think one could live comfortably and inexpensively without any of the other modern conveniences we're all so accustomed to, but even then it would take money to do it legally. Alot more money than 350 bucks a year.

    Is a years worth of chicken feed really only 3 bucks?

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    Depends on what you feed your chickens I suppose.

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    Regardless of whether or not the numbers add up, this story gets the point across that it's important to be frugal, know how to grow your own food, and know how to trade and barter with others in your community. I agree that it would be a much more feasible story if were more like "Man survives on 5k a year", but let's all be honest with each other, could any of us make that claim? The important thing is to at least challenge ourselves to see how self-reliant we really are/could be.

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