Congress Approved Health Care Bill

[Ken]

It's the smell that bothers me.

I had an early dinner after court today. First course was chourico and black bean soup. C'mon over, Rick!

[Batch]

Would it help clear the politics of the topic if we compared the health care bill to other existing large government programs?

Like everyone deserves to own a house. Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac... Uhmmm no!

How, about a good retirement plan for everyone? Social Security... uhmmm no!

[BENESSE]

Would it help clear the politics of the topic if we compared the health care bill to other existing large government programs?

Like everyone deserves to own a house. Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac... Uhmmm no!

How, about a good retirement plan for everyone? Social Security... uhmmm no!

How about EDUCATION?

[Camp10]

That just confirms to me what I've always suspected. That regardless of who "owned" the WH, it has always been about politics and nothing else.
When it suits us we call it something else but we know better.

It is still and will always be about politics! If it was about health than the people who made this up wouldnt have exempted themselves from it.

[2dumb2kwit]

Would it help clear the politics of the topic if we compared the health care bill to other existing large government programs?

Like everyone deserves to own a house. Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac... Uhmmm no!

How, about a good retirement plan for everyone? Social Security... uhmmm no!

Don't forget that big gov't programs have always ended up costing at least 6 times what was projected.

Do the math on this bill......we're in deep do-do!

[BENESSE]

I had an early dinner after court today. First course was chourico and black bean soup. C'mon over, Rick!

Condolences to the girlfriend.

[BENESSE]

Don't forget that big gov't programs have always ended up costing at least 6 times what was projected.

And even more on unnecessary wars!

Do the math on this bill......we're in deep do-do!

Yeah, I've been doing the math for a little longer than a year.

[2dumb2kwit]

Condolences to the girlfriend.

...and the dogs.

[Rick]

That just confirms to me what I've always suspected. That regardless of who "owned" the WH, it has always been about politics and nothing else.

Well, hot diggity. Of course it is. It's about mega dollars, too. Now, ya'll know I'm a sheeple and not one to conjure up government conspiracies. Although I could easily do that with a simple incantation. I asked many posts ago, why was this pushed so hard? What was the driving push behind health care reform? Over $400 million was spent on lobbying the health care reform bill. That was spent by the health care sector. Another $120 billion was spent lobbying by the insurance industry. (numbers from The Center for Responsive Politics). Need some examples? Re-importation of drugs (drugs made here and shipped out of the country at low prices and re-imported at still low prices) were excluded in the bill courtesy of....the pharmaceutical lobby. How about the Healthcare Information and Management Systems Society that lobbied Washington for and got the inclusion of as much as $36.5 billion in spending to create a nationwide network of electronic health records. See my point? Baaaaaaaaa.

[Ken]

...and the dogs.

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[2dumb2kwit]

And even more on unnecessary wars!

Yeah, I've been doing the math for a little longer than a year.

That has nothing to do with what we are talking about.....and if it did, it would still fall under "two wrongs, don't make a right".

[Rick]

I forgot to mention the reason the pharmaceutical lobby said re-importation is not a good thing. The meds aren't safe. Yeah.

[BENESSE]

...and the dogs.

ESPECIALLY the dogs. For they don't get the jewelry.

[LostOutrider]

I forgot to mention the reason the pharmaceutical lobby said re-importation is not a good thing. The meds aren't safe. Yeah.

Hm... considering we can't even get Thomas the Train imported safely, I'm not entirely certain I want to outsource my meds to China.

2d, pull us out some numbers to show how much we'd spend in excess medical bills by taking Made In China lead-pills.

[BENESSE]

That has nothing to do with what we are talking about.....and if it did, it would still fall under "two wrongs, don't make a right".

But two lefts do.

[2dumb2kwit]

Well, hot diggity. Of course it is. It's about mega dollars, too. Now, ya'll know I'm a sheeple and not one to conjure up government conspiracies. Although I could easily do that with a simple incantation. I asked many posts ago, why was this pushed so hard? What was the driving push behind health care reform? Over $400 million was spent on lobbying the health care reform bill. That was spent by the health care sector. Another $120 billion was spent lobbying by the insurance industry. (numbers from The Center for Responsive Politics). Need some examples? Re-importation of drugs (drugs made here and shipped out of the country at low prices and re-imported at still low prices) were excluded in the bill courtesy of....the pharmaceutical lobby. How about the Healthcare Information and Management Systems Society that lobbied Washington for and got the inclusion of as much as $36.5 billion in spending to create a nationwide network of electronic health records. See my point? Baaaaaaaaa.

No, no, no Rick! You're supposed to keep people looking at the guy supposedly being saved from death on a cold sidewalk, because he doesn't have insurance. Then they yell save this guy...and don't notice all those things that you are talking about.

Sheeez......Do we have to draw you a picture??? LOL

[2dumb2kwit]

Hm... considering we can't even get Thomas the Train imported safely, I'm not entirely certain I want to outsource my meds to China.

2d, pull us out some numbers to show how much we'd spend in excess medical bills by taking Made In China lead-pills.

Once again, you're acting on emotion and missing the details.

Re-importation of drugs (drugs made here and shipped out of the country at low prices and re-imported at still low prices)

[LostOutrider]

How about the Healthcare Information and Management Systems Society that lobbied Washington for and got the inclusion of as much as $36.5 billion in spending to create a nationwide network of electronic health records.

Just out of curiosity, why is a nationwide network of electronic health records a bad thing? I have an anecdote, which isn't significant data of course, but where the reliance on paper records nearly cost my oldest his life. Had they been electronic, then it would have saved some very precious hours.

Once again, you're acting on emotion and missing the details.

The details is that things don't become magically cheaper just because you ship them across the world and then back. I'd be real curious to know why this unregulated pill that just got shipped back to me from a country with much, much looser standards is all of a sudden such a bargain.

[2dumb2kwit]

But two lefts do.

Pffft! Silly girl.......it takes three lefts. LOL

[crashdive123]

Would it help clear the politics of the topic if we compared the health care bill to other existing large government programs?

Like everyone deserves to own a house. Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac... Uhmmm no!

How, about a good retirement plan for everyone? Social Security... uhmmm no!

How about EDUCATION?

Uhmmmm no!