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    Default I guess I am getting "ticked off" more and more

    I am not going to make comment on this right now, am just a bit to P**sed. I am begining to feel the same as when Jimmy Carter was the President.

    Flap flies in Haiti over U.S. flag absence

    By Alan Gomez and Oren Dorell - USA Today
    Posted : Monday Mar 15, 2010 15:35:11 EDT

    The many nations helping Haiti recover from the devastating earthquake that struck there have set up their own military compounds and fly their flags at the entrances.France's tricolor, Britain's Union Jack and even Croatia's coat of arms flap in the breeze.
    But the country whose contributions dwarf the rest of the world's — the United States — has no flag at its main installation near the Port-au-Prince airport.
    The lack of the Stars and Stripes does not sit well with some veterans and servicemembers who say the U.S. government should be proud to fly the flag in Haiti, given the amount of money and manpower the U.S. is donating to help the country recover from the Jan. 12 quake.
    The Obama administration says flying the flag could give Haiti the wrong idea."We are not here as an occupation force, but as an international partner committed to supporting the government of Haiti on the road to recovery," the U.S. government's Haiti Joint Information Center said in response to a query about the flag.
    The absence of the American flag bothers former Navy man Arthur Herriford, national president of the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association.
    "It's very improper," Herriford said. "Our military people always engage and function under the American colors — always have and always will."
    The U.S. flag has flown in Haiti under circumstances that were not always friendly.
    In 1915, Marines invaded Haiti to restore stability after several coups. In 1986, President Ronald Reagan pressured dictator Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier to renounce his rule and leave. In 1994, President Bill Clinton sent troops to prop up President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. In 2004, President George W. Bush's administration eased Aristide out of office amid a brutal civil war.
    France, the former colonizer of the country, has its flag up at its base in Port-au-Prince. The Haiti flag is based on the French flag, turned on its side with the white stripped out.
    Army Col. Billy Buckner, spokesman for Joint Task Force-Haiti, a group representing various Obama administration agency heads, said the decision not to fly the American flag was made out of respect as guests of the government of Haiti.
    "It is no mystery that U.S. forces are on the ground, and we proudly wear an American flag on our right sleeve," he said.
    U.S. Air Force air operations specialists and FAA air-traffic controllers manage air traffic at Haiti's main airport, where millions of dollars in aid from the United States has been arriving for weeks. More than 12,000 U.S. military personnel support relief operations.
    "Our commanders are smart and intuitively understand their mission here in Haiti, and clearly the sensitivities that come with supporting the mission," Buckner said.A U.S. flag went up at a temporary consular station set up in the first few days on the airport tarmac, according to Charles Luoma-Overstreet, a State Department spokesman in Haiti.
    "Apparently, the prime minister (Jean-Max Bellerive) saw this" and thought it appeared as if the United States were taking over the airport, Luoma-Overstreet said.
    He said Bellerive said something to U.S. Ambassador Kenneth Merten, who agreed that flying the flag wasn't a good idea and told the consular officials to take it down.
    The decision is not unprecedented, noted Joe Davis, spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars, who says he is not bothered by the flag's absence.
    During the Gulf War in 1991, U.S. forces took control of the main airport in Kuwait and briefly flew the American flag over their installation, Davis said, but higher-ups ordered it taken down to avoid an impression that U.S. forces were conquerors.
    The missing American colors at Port-au-Prince airport were no problem to Don Hollenbaugh, a former Army Delta Force operator who received the Distinguished Service Cross for actions in Fallujah, Iraq, in 2004.
    "Everybody in the world knows the U.S. is there," Hollenbaugh said. "So by not flying the flag, we're not changing anyone's mind about anything
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    Are you freakin' kidding me?! Who the @#$# voted for this guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Are you freakin' kidding me?! Who the @#$# voted for this guy?

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    I will refrain from commenting. Anything I have to say in response to this story would have to be edited or deleted.
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    I think the last bit of common sense has finally been wrung out.

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    Kenny Keen was the Army three-star there in the beginning. I served with him a long time ago and cannot imagine him handling this well.
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    What Crash said. And I'm English!
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    Officials: No U.S. flags fly at Haiti bases

    By William H. McMichael - Staff writer
    Posted : Sunday Mar 7, 2010 8:58:02 EST

    Despite the significant U.S. military presence in earthquake-ravaged Haiti, the U.S. flag is nowhere in sight at the Port-au-Prince airport or any other forward operating bases because of concerns over host nation sensitivities, a U.S. military spokesman confirmed late Thursday night.

    According to a report by a recent American civilian visitor, the U.S. flag is not on display at the airfield where U.S. Air Force air operations specialists and FAA air traffic controllers are working with Haitian authorities to manage air traffic, and Air Force aircraft and support personnel are omnipresent.

    There is no official prohibition from doing so there or at any of the U.S. operating bases supporting relief operations in Haiti — either by the military or the State Department, officials said. But, said Army Col. Billy Buckner, a spokesman for Joint Task Force-Haiti, “We have just chosen not to do so.”

    The rationale is the desire to build strong relationships with locals — a strategy Buckner said many of the task force’s commanders have practiced in Iraq and Afghanistan — and is rooted in the well-documented local anger that erupted in the days immediately following the earthquake over what was perceived as a U.S. effort to give its own citizens priority for evacuation from the crowded, chaotic airport.

    According to a State Department spokesman in Haiti, a U.S. flag went up at a temporary consular station set up in those first few days on the airport tarmac. At the time, there were no Haitian flags flying at the facility.

    “Apparently, the prime minister [Jean-Max Bellerive] saw this” [flag] and thought it appeared as though the U.S. was taking over the airport, said spokesman Charles Luoma-Overstreet.

    He said Bellerive mentioned this to U.S. Ambassador Kenneth Merten.

    Merten, who relayed the story to Luoma-Overstreet, agreed that it wasn’t a good idea, given the heated situation, and told the consular officials to take down the flag. The officials adopted a lower-key U.S. emblem for the table at the consular station, Luoma-Overstreet said.

    Luoma-Overstreet said the temporary consular station is gone, and he said the State Department has not issued a directive prohibiting the flying of the U.S. flag anywhere in Haiti, including the airport.

    But the anger that erupted at the airport is precisely the sort of unrest that military officials are trying to keep at bay as residents of the impoverished island nation try to recover from the devastation, Buckner said.

    “We are respectful as the invited guests of the Government of Haiti,” Buckner said. “Our commanders are smart and intuitively understand their mission here in Haiti and clearly the sensitivities that come with supporting the mission. In most cases, they have operated in a [counterinsurgency] environment in Iraq and Afghanistan and know how to interact with the people. Bottom line is our commanders are using their best judgment to focus on the mission.

    “It is no mystery that U.S. forces are on the ground, and we proudly wear an American flag on our right sleeve,” Buckner said.

    The U.N. has overall responsibility for the Haiti relief mission. U.S. service members in Haiti, however, are not wearing the familiar blue helmets of U.N. peacekeepers and are operating under U.S. command.

    More than 12,000 U.S. military personnel are supporting relief operations following the powerful Jan. 12 earthquake, which killed an estimated 230,000 people, according to Haitian officials.

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    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/0...flags_030610w/

    I dont see anything "Here" about Obama Admin ? just sayin ,

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    For all those from Haiti who have sought our shores.

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    For all those who have benefited from our aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Case View Post
    Officials: No U.S. flags fly at Haiti bases

    By William H. McMichael - Staff writer
    Posted : Sunday Mar 7, 2010 8:58:02 EST

    Despite the significant U.S. military presence in earthquake-ravaged Haiti, the U.S. flag is nowhere in sight at the Port-au-Prince airport or any other forward operating bases because of concerns over host nation sensitivities, a U.S. military spokesman confirmed late Thursday night.

    According to a report by a recent American civilian visitor, the U.S. flag is not on display at the airfield where U.S. Air Force air operations specialists and FAA air traffic controllers are working with Haitian authorities to manage air traffic, and Air Force aircraft and support personnel are omnipresent.

    There is no official prohibition from doing so there or at any of the U.S. operating bases supporting relief operations in Haiti — either by the military or the State Department, officials said. But, said Army Col. Billy Buckner, a spokesman for Joint Task Force-Haiti, “We have just chosen not to do so.”

    The rationale is the desire to build strong relationships with locals — a strategy Buckner said many of the task force’s commanders have practiced in Iraq and Afghanistan — and is rooted in the well-documented local anger that erupted in the days immediately following the earthquake over what was perceived as a U.S. effort to give its own citizens priority for evacuation from the crowded, chaotic airport.

    According to a State Department spokesman in Haiti, a U.S. flag went up at a temporary consular station set up in those first few days on the airport tarmac. At the time, there were no Haitian flags flying at the facility.

    “Apparently, the prime minister [Jean-Max Bellerive] saw this” [flag] and thought it appeared as though the U.S. was taking over the airport, said spokesman Charles Luoma-Overstreet.

    He said Bellerive mentioned this to U.S. Ambassador Kenneth Merten.

    Merten, who relayed the story to Luoma-Overstreet, agreed that it wasn’t a good idea, given the heated situation, and told the consular officials to take down the flag. The officials adopted a lower-key U.S. emblem for the table at the consular station, Luoma-Overstreet said.

    Luoma-Overstreet said the temporary consular station is gone, and he said the State Department has not issued a directive prohibiting the flying of the U.S. flag anywhere in Haiti, including the airport.

    But the anger that erupted at the airport is precisely the sort of unrest that military officials are trying to keep at bay as residents of the impoverished island nation try to recover from the devastation, Buckner said.

    “We are respectful as the invited guests of the Government of Haiti,” Buckner said. “Our commanders are smart and intuitively understand their mission here in Haiti and clearly the sensitivities that come with supporting the mission. In most cases, they have operated in a [counterinsurgency] environment in Iraq and Afghanistan and know how to interact with the people. Bottom line is our commanders are using their best judgment to focus on the mission.

    “It is no mystery that U.S. forces are on the ground, and we proudly wear an American flag on our right sleeve,” Buckner said.

    The U.N. has overall responsibility for the Haiti relief mission. U.S. service members in Haiti, however, are not wearing the familiar blue helmets of U.N. peacekeepers and are operating under U.S. command.

    More than 12,000 U.S. military personnel are supporting relief operations following the powerful Jan. 12 earthquake, which killed an estimated 230,000 people, according to Haitian officials.

    SOURCE, ARMY TIMES

    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/0...flags_030610w/

    I dont see anything "Here" about Obama Admin ? just sayin ,
    Read the above quote in my original post Air Force Times
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pal334 View Post
    Read the above quote in my original post Air Force Times
    http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/20...i_flag_031510/
    Yes,,, Thats what I meant,, Depending on where the story comes from , it gives different impressions,

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    As if anyone would want to occupy Haiti.
    Crap! Even before a disaster the residents didn't want to live there!!!
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    Do you contribute in order to fly your flag or to help your fellow human beings?

    I understand why you may feel the way you do, but aid is not about recognition.

    Trust me, the ones you are helping know where you are from, and will forever be thankful, whether your flag is flying or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red lake View Post
    Do you contribute in order to fly your flag or to help your fellow human beings?

    I understand why you may feel the way you do, but aid is not about recognition.

    Trust me, the ones you are helping know where you are from, and will forever be thankful, whether your flag is flying or not.
    This isn't about the aid, the people providing it, or the people recieving it. To explain further would delve into political discussion, so I'll leave it at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Case View Post
    Yes,,, Thats what I meant,, Depending on where the story comes from , it gives different impressions,
    Yeah, some sources don't choose to print the whole truth and nothin' but the truth.
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    I agree with Crash, the aid is given because we can. There is no way to explain adequately the pride of serving under ones flag. A person gets it, or they don't
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    It seems to me that some of our leaders (not specifying for fear of leading into a "political" discussion) are actually ASHAMED of representing our great country.
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    Just silly. And would be very bad for morale which makes negative outcomes more, not less, likely.
    my sense of self approval is bigger than yours. and I chose to be born in the most stupid country ever.

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