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    I am retired military and am enraged that this is allowed, let alone that it is going to the Supreme Court. I know and support the right of freedom of speech that we enjoy in this country and served to preserve it for a very long time. But this type of "free speech" insults our men and women serving this country and worst of all, their families that have paid such a dear price. I do not have, nor do I offer a "solution" to this type of "free speech". Just a rant and venting.


    Court to rule in military funeral protest case
    By Mark Sherman - The Associated Press
    Posted : Tuesday Mar 9, 2010 13:46:22 EST

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court is entering an emotionally charged dispute between the grieving father of a Marine who died in Iraq and the anti-gay protesters who picket military funerals with inflammatory messages like “Thank God for dead soldiers.”
    The court agreed Monday to consider whether the protesters’ message, no matter how provocative or upsetting, is protected by the First Amendment or limited by the competing privacy and religious rights of the mourners.
    The justices will hear an appeal from a Marine’s father to reinstate a $5 million verdict against the protesters after they picketed outside his son’s funeral in Maryland four years ago. Members of a Kansas-based church have picketed military funerals to spread their belief that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are punishment for the nation’s tolerance of homosexuality.
    The funeral protest dispute was one of three cases the court said it would hear in the fall. The others involve whether parents can sue drug makers when their children suffer serious side effects from vaccines and NASA’s background checks on contract employees. The government says the decision in the NASA case could throw into question the background checks routinely done on all federal government workers.
    The protest lawsuit stemmed from picketing by members of the fundamentalist Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., outside the funeral for Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder in Westminster, Md. Snyder died in March 2006 when his Humvee overturned.
    The funeral was one of many that have been picketed by Westboro pastor Fred Phelps and other members of his church. One of the signs at Snyder’s funeral combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.
    Other signs carried by church members read, “America is Doomed,” “God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11,” “Priests Rape Boys” and “Thank God for IEDs,” a reference to the roadside bombs that have killed many U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Snyder’s father, Albert, sued Phelps, his daughters and the church and won a verdict of more than $11 million for emotional distress and invasion of privacy. The judge reduced the amount to $5 million, but a federal appeals court threw out the verdict.
    The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the signs contained “imaginative and hyperbolic rhetoric” protected by the First Amendment.
    Shirley Phelps-Roper, a defendant in the lawsuit and one of Phelps’ daughters, said she is pleased the case is going to the Supreme Court. “We get to preach to the conscience of doomed America,” she said in an interview Monday. “I am so excited that I can’t tell you how good it is.”
    In the vaccine case, parents, drug companies and the Obama administration all asked the court to decide whether vaccine makers can be sued in state court over injuries that allegedly result from vaccines.
    All but one court has held that a 1986 law limits such lawsuits and instead directs parents to a special vaccine court. The law was intended, in part, to ensure a stable vaccine supply by shielding companies from most lawsuits.
    The Georgia Supreme Court is so far the only one that has ruled that families can sue in a vaccine case, and drug makers are eager for the U.S. high court to remove any uncertainty caused by the Georgia ruling.
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    That group tried that a couple of times here. Betweeen the Patriot Riders and other Veterans groups that also exercised their right to free speech, and to peacefully assemble - they didn't get anywhere near the procession or families of the fallen. I do not think they will be back in this area.
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    Good, I guess I just can not get "my head around" why they would even act that way?
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    Pal, are you surprised the we have zealots, too? The family was awarded $5 million for Mr. Phelps' little stupidity but an appeals court tossed out the award. Now the Supreme Court will hear the case. The cool thing is if they rule in favor of the family, which I don't think they will, then Mr. Phelps will need to start collecting discarded aluminum cans so he can pony up that $5 million.

    The 1st Amendment guarantees everyone the right to free speech not just the ones we agree with. I hate that they do it. I think it is utterly disgusting and wrong but I'll be shocked if the SC rules in favor of the family. Mr. Phelps has the right to an old fashioned a$$ thumpin', too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Pal, are you surprised the we have zealots, too? The family was awarded $5 million for Mr. Phelps' little stupidity but an appeals court tossed out the award. Now the Supreme Court will hear the case. The cool thing is if they rule in favor of the family, which I don't think they will, then Mr. Phelps will need to start collecting discarded aluminum cans so he can pony up that $5 million.

    The 1st Amendment guarantees everyone the right to free speech not just the ones we agree with. I hate that they do it. I think it is utterly disgusting and wrong but I'll be shocked if the SC rules in favor of the family. Mr. Phelps has the right to an old fashioned a$$ thumpin', too.
    Don't get me wrong, the right of free speech is for all. My reaction is only on a gut level. I truely believe that he is not worthy to lick the boots of a military person. BUT, I have and will defend his right to be a butt hole. But I also do believe in KARMA
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    I can't get my head around it either Pal. What on earth has the loss of a brave serviceman/woman got to do with sexual orientation?
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    In the news coverage here prior to the funerals of our fallen soldiers, there was an investigative report on the "church" that was doing this. If I remember correctly the "church" was mostly comprised of one family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdive123 View Post
    In the news coverage here prior to the funerals of our fallen soldiers, there was an investigative report on the "church" that was doing this. If I remember correctly the "church" was mostly comprised of one family.
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    And these "whinny hinnies" will run for a policeman at the first sign of confrontation. I guess they pick and choose what "authority figures" to be their friends.

    Ken perhaps prophylactic chemical castration would have been a good idea in that family
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pal334 View Post
    Ken perhaps prophylactic chemical castration would have been a good idea in that family
    Or maybe a vacation to Afghanistan. Let's see if “God Hates EVERYONE from the USA" or if they'll still "Thank God for 9/11,” or even if they'll “Thank God for IEDs."

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    True, I hear that the Taliban are very good hosts to infidels
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    Perhaps they should serve in Afghanistan. Even as Clergy they might have an epiphany as to what our men and women are doing.
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    If one of them idiots had shown up at my dad's funeral (he was a Marine vet but did not die in service), I'd probably be calling Ken about a little civil suit I'm sure would ensue...

    I don't care what you believe in, there is a time and place for everything, and the funeral of someone else's loved one is not it. Some people need a reality check.

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    Or an old fashioned a$$ thumpin'.
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    I's love to see the reaction if one of his kids "came out".
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    Perhaps a bunch of vets need to show up at their next family funeral and turn the tables a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crashdive123 View Post
    I's love to see the reaction if one of his kids "came out".
    OH -- MY -- GOD!!! That would be poetic justice of the highest order!
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    All Veterans and the rest of our country owe a debt to the PGR. They provide a wonderful service!!! Albeit a shame they have to do that.
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    it's a great thing that your country has the 1st amendment. Because you know the people that are going to be first and loudest to use it are all the $hitheads out there, makes them easier for y'all to identify 'em for future reference
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