Question about land, as it relates to bugging out

**Rick** · 01-13-2008, 11:54 AM

Wareagle posted this link in another thread. I think it's worth reading. It does a very nice job of explaining the problems of wanting to bug out. Thanks, WE!

http://www.alpharubicon.com/prepinfo/backpackfever.htm

**Sourdough** · 01-13-2008, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

Wareagle posted this link in another thread. I think it's worth reading. It does a very nice job of explaining the problems of wanting to bug out. Thanks, WE!

http://www.alpharubicon.com/prepinfo/backpackfever.htm

Very good article; However it begs this question: What must the quality of peoples lives be, "that" they are looking forward to TSHTF....????? Would one not have to see himself as unfairly Repressed...???

That TSHTF would give them a fresh start; perhaps in a more level playing field...????? I would be interested in your thoughts, maybe this should be a new thread?

**Sarge47** · 01-13-2008, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by hopeak

Very good article; However it begs this question: What must the quality of peoples lives be, "that" they are looking forward to TSHTF....????? Would one not have to see himself as unfairly Repressed...???

That TSHTF would give them a fresh start; perhaps in a more level playing field...????? I would be interested in your thoughts, maybe this should be a new thread?

I think you've hit upon a great idea, ho, why don't you start it up?

**Rick** · 01-13-2008, 01:21 PM

I guess it's all in the definition. I see TSHTF as a tornado, hurricane, wildfire. That sort of stuff. I can certainly concede terrorist threat (home grown or otherwise). Kansas City, New York, Washington, LA, Seatle all taught us that much. But I put economic damnation just below getting smacked in the kisser with a meteorite. All possible, some not likely.

I have my BOB packed, not because I know something will happen but because I know it could. Sort of like car insurance or home insurance.

Life, like the wilderness, should be enjoyed and shared and taught to our young uns. There have always been folks standing on the corner with the sign, "The End is Near" and there always will be. It's a lot more likely to come in the form of a drunk driver than from the men in black, whoever that might be.

As for the fresh start, paranoia will exist even after TSHTF. They'll just shift their focus to something or someone else.

**Sarge47** · 01-13-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

I guess it's all in the definition. I see TSHTF as a tornado, hurricane, wildfire. That sort of stuff. I can certainly concede terrorist threat (home grown or otherwise). Kansas City, New York, Washington, LA, Seatle all taught us that much. But I put economic damnation just below getting smacked in the kisser with a meteorite. All possible, some not likely.

I have my BOB packed, not because I know something will happen but because I know it could. Sort of like car insurance or home insurance.

Life, like the wilderness, should be enjoyed and shared and taught to our young uns. There have always been folks standing on the corner with the sign, "The End is Near" and there always will be. It's a lot more likely to come in the form of a drunk driver than from the men in black, whoever that might be.

As for the fresh start, paranoia will exist even after TSHTF. They'll just shift their focus to something or someone else.

I'd have to agree with you on this, I think what the real "Survivalists" are looking for is TEOTWAWKI. I also think that if you look deep enough you'd find out what triggered that "desire", as hopeak puts it. Obviously these type of people think they're going to come out on top, that nothing bad will happen to them as a consequence when there really is no evidence to justify such thinking. Fact of the matter is they could take a bullet just as easy as anyone else, and with the break-down of civilization, law-enforcement as we know it would cease to exist and we'd be back into the days of the Wild West. The other type is the person who wants to hide out from everyone. This type of person seems to me to be "reclusive, introverted, and perhaps Paranoid" as well. Can you imagine an armed group made up of such folks?

**Sourdough** · 01-13-2008, 02:29 PM

Sarge, I started a new thread. I really would like to understand their view of things, their feelings about things.

**FAL rifleman** · 01-13-2008, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by hopeak

Sarge, I started a new thread. I really would like to understand their view of things, their feelings about things.

Link, please.

**nell67** · 01-13-2008, 03:45 PM

Here ya go FAL

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...ead.php?t=1473

**Sarge47** · 01-13-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by hopeak

Sarge, I started a new thread. I really would like to understand their view of things, their feelings about things.

Go for it, as long as everyone "plays nice" I've got no problem with it.

We have several "Survivalists" on this site; all who have brought something constructive to the table, it might prove to be a good idea.

I commend you for the thread!

Vol-Remy should have a field day with this. Another thought, if we do face TEOTWAWKI, what do we see happening to civilization? Enquiring minds want to know!

**Rick** · 01-13-2008, 04:08 PM

Gosh, we've had so many TSHTF scenario's throughout our history:
Revolutionary War
Shays Rebellion
The year without a summer (1816),
The Great Chicago Fire
The Great San Franciso Earthquake
The Civil War
The Great Depresion
The Great Dustbowl
911
Katrina

We seem to weather every storm pretty well regardless of the cause or type.

EDIT: I guess I should have added slavery and the near genocide of the indigenous peoples of this country. For them, it was TEOTWAWKI.

**Sarge47** · 01-13-2008, 05:37 PM

You forgot one, the day Elvis died!

**nell67** · 01-13-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge47

You forgot one, the day Elvis died!

Oh my God,my grandmother cried like a baby when she found that out!

**Rick** · 01-13-2008, 05:51 PM

Well, thank you, ma'am. Thank you very much......Are you gonna eat that jelly doughnut?

**Nativedude** · 01-13-2008, 10:33 PM

A perfect example of the gov't. getting too involved in our lives is Dick Proennecke.

When the gov't declared the area where he (Dick) lived as "Twin Lakes National Park" they were going to take his home from him. It took Mary Alsworth (wife of Babe Alsworth{his pilot for many years}) to use her Native American rights to claim the land (as part of her legal land allotment). She then gifted it to Dick. Had it not been for Mary, he would have lost everything!!

Here was a guy, living his dream, free and untroubled. In steps the gov't., after all the years he had lived there, and says "were taking your land!"

I, for one, think that is pure BS!! How many others here think it's BS as well?

**Sourdough** · 01-13-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Nativedude

A perfect example of the gov't. getting too involved in our lives is Dick Proennecke.

When the gov't declared the area where he (Dick) lived as "Twin Lakes National Park" they were going to take his home from him. It took Mary Alsworth (wife of Babe Alsworth{his pilot for many years}) to use her Native American rights to claim the land (as part of her legal land allotment). She then gifted it to Dick. Had it not been for Mary, he would have lost everything!!

Here was a guy, living his dream, free and untroubled. In steps the gov't., after all the years he had lived there, and says "were taking your land!"

I, for one, think that is pure BS!! How many others here think it's BS as well?

I don't think Dick ever really wanted to "OWN" that land, I think that what he did was his dream. He had a dream, he made it real, he recorded it which is wonderful. But "OWNING" and having control of the land was not part of what he wanted to experience. At any time Dick could have filed for a Federal Homesite (5 Acres), even many years after the cabin was built. He could have filed for a Federal Trade and Manufacturing site (15 acres). He had fully completed all (100%) of the requirements. No, I don't think that is who he was. It was not about the land, it was about the experience. Dick was a nice person, I did not know him well, as I did not build my place in the Lake Clark National Preserve till 1984.

**Nativedude** · 01-13-2008, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by hopeak

I don't think Dick ever really wanted to "OWN" that land, I think that what he did was his dream. He had a dream, he made it real, he recorded it which is wonderful. But "OWNING" and having control of the land was not part of what he wanted to experience. At any time Dick could have filed for a Federal Homesite (5 Acres), even many years after the cabin was built. He could have filed for a Federal Trade and Manufacturing site (15 acres). He had fully completed all (100%) of the requirements. No, I don't think that is who he was. It was not about the land, it was about the experience. Dick was a nice person, I did not know him well, as I did not build my place in the Lake Clark National Preserve till 1984.

You are absolutely correct Hopeak, Dick did not want to own his land. His philosophy was "none of us owns this land. . .we are here for a short time, and should enjoy what is here while we can!"

What I was saying is the fact that he (Dick) WAS living the life he wanted to live, just as I, and others I suspect, choose to do. . .FREE! Free from the gov't. (out from under their thumb), free from bills, free from stress, free from others (be it neighbors, etc.) telling us what we can and cannot do, free to live as WE see fit!! Then along comes the gov't. and tells Dick that they are going to take everything he has built and take away his freedom of choice on how to live.

He was there before the gov't. came along. They had NO BUSINESS trying to strip him of his life!!

IMO, they (the gov't.) has no business telling any of us how to live!!