justify your redndancy

[hunter63]

Ironic....is it not???? LOL

LOL, nice catch, wasn't intend as a pun.....Oh wait, sure it was, yeah, that's the ticket.
Carry on.

[Ken]

i've got 2 yrs before i can go back stateside at that time i will be very happy to share dirt time with anyone interested, as you may well rememberi lived in the states 23 yrs i am more than familiar with all ot of geographical areas

Hey WE?

If, by some remote chance, you're waiting for the expiration of, oh, say, a "statute of limitation" for an alleged criminal act, you should know that such statutes toll (stop running) if you are out of the jurisdiction in question.

For example: Say that some guy named "Rick" hijacks a Hostess truck filled with Twinkies in Boston, knowing that he can't be prosecuted unless charges are brought within 6 years of the event.... and then he immediately hightails it into, oh, say, Canada for seven years and then returns to Boston - guess what? That 7 years he was gone doesn't count. The 6 years begins on the day he returns to Boston and will toll again whenever he leaves Massachusetts.

And another thing: If he was ever charged with the Twinkie heist when he was in Canada or within the first 6 years he is actually in Massachusetts, and a warrant issues for his arrest, that warrant is good for as long as he lives.

[wareagle69]

thanks for your assumptions (hmmm a lawer jumping to conclusions how interesting)it has nothing to do with he americian law it has to do with an agreement i made here, and i intend to keep that promise, thanks for you valuable insight tho, it was interesting to know

[Ken]

thanks for your assumptions (hmmm a lawer jumping to conclusions how interesting)it has nothing to do with he americian law it has to do with an agreement i made here, and i intend to keep that promise, thanks for you valuable insight tho, it was interesting to know

Hence the qualifier "by some remote chance".........

[wareagle69]

if these threads that i post annoy you(you-meaning anyone reading this) then as i have said before that is your responsibility not mine. my veiws are my veiws same as opinions everyone has one. i have researched these topics with gino ferri- survival in the bush inc my search and rescue group and others considered experts in the field, who have all seen "experienced" outdoorsman seriously injured or that have died from over confidence in untested gear and methods
my goals always remain the same first, to pass along information of which i have been so freely given and secondly to make you stop and think, think long and hard about yourself, your gear and your given situation. that is what i feel is my responsibility, hopefully some will learn and pass on or at least look at ways of trying to improve and survive.

[Rick]

Say that some guy named "Rick" hijacks a Hostess truck filled with Twinkies in Boston

Hey!! What happened to lawyer/client confidentiality?!

[oneraindog]

WE what about the chance of losing something? you only carry one firesteel. what if you lost it? what if there were no good bow drill materials around or everything was soaking wet? maybe unlikely scenarios but no less likely than needing a whole other pair of boots.

shouldnt it be about what makes you comfortable and confident? if carrying multiple itmes for the necessities makes you more comforatble than you are going to be at an advantage if for no other reason than for the positive mental attitude.

but this is not to take away from your point of knowing the skills. 5 ways to start fire isnt any good if you arnt proficient with them.

[hunter63]

but this is not to take away from your point of knowing the skills. 5 ways to start fire isnt any good if you arnt proficient with them.

Need some thing to burn also, besides just tinder.

Spent a canoe/bow hunting week, where it rained pretty much every day, 50's, every thing we owned got damp.

We were camping primitive, Baker lean-to, no stove, Colman's etc, just camp fire and candle lanterns.

What saved our butte was a fallen dead oak, splintered pretty good, where we could "bust off" with out too much trouble, dry wood to burn to dry out other wood, and so forth. Pretty much a full time job.

I can see where one of the Mil stoves w/ fuel would have came in real handy.

[your_comforting_company]

exactly ORD, hence the need for redundancy.. sure, I can start fire with natural materials, but if I don't get to where I'm going till dark, or I happen to be somewhere that might not have materials I'm familiar with, I can rely on my bic.

This is what WE is getting at folks. He's not asking anyone to justify anything to him. He's asking you to justify it to yourself. Do you really need it. Do you really want to carry it? Where are your skills lacking that you may need some other reliance? Where are your weaknesses, one good example is wet tinder... if you really truly understand fire, you can build a fire with wet wood. I've done it many times while camping in the wet southern summers.

I really think that is what WE was getting at, anyway. It made me reflect on my skills quite a lot today, and I thought long and hard about waterproofing.. a weakness in my kit. I'm not trying to defend WE, but I think a lot of folks missed the point. shoes was just a good example for him to use. down here in the south we calls it Cover Yer A$$.

[Rick]

I'm not trying to defend WE

WE is one of those folks that doesn't need defending (not that you were). We respect his skills and knowledge and he offers up some thought provoking questions. He's welcome in my camp any time he wants to head south.

[Ken]

He's welcome in my camp any time he wants to head south.

Hmmmmmmm. We were all hoping that you would head north.

[Ted]

Hmmmmmmm. We were all hoping that you would head north.

LMAO!!!! ........Please, no offense Rick,but Kens one funny mutha!

[Rick]

I've erased the S marking and the N marking from my compass. I'm afraid to go south because at some point I'll be on the menu. I won't go north because because they talk funny, eh.

[Rick]

Please, no offense Rick,but Kens one funny mutha!

Well, you're half right.

[crashdive123]

Follow that E and use guys might just pak the ca in tha yad. Ahhhhh fugetabowdit.

[Pict]

I just got back from a six day trip in the bush and carried some redundant gear.

Compass: I normally use a Recta DP-2 which is good for navigating without a map but I also had a flat, transparent Recta for using with the map for convenience sake. I find it easier to use the flat compass to orient the map and get my numbers then use the DP-2 to actually move. Since I dummy cord my DP-2 to my jacket pocket it would be a pain to use with the map. For that I would use the other compass dummy corded to my side pants pocket.

Fire: We were expecting typical rainy season weather. My go-to firemaker was a mini Bic carried in my canteen pouch pocket. I also had a firesteel and PJ cotton in my possible pouch. IIRC there’s also a pack of paper book matches in there in a tiny ziplock. More important than multiple means to light a fire is the ability to haul out some emergency tinder in case of really bad conditions. I carried a 4x6 inch section of innertube for this as well as two citronella candle stubs. We had dry weather but Brazil can really throw down in rainy season. This isn't a question of mastering the fire for me it's just a matter of avoiding all that crap I would have to do in bad conditions.

Water: I carried 2 canteens and 2 two liter platypus bags for my normal daily water supply. I also carried a redundant five liter waterbag in my kit and ended up using it to collect raw rainwater from my shelter. It came in handy as I didn’t have to mix raw rainwater with treated water. This isn’t so much redundancy as expandability. That lightweight extra bag represents a full days supply of water for one person.

Water Treatment: I carried 30 Clor-In 1 tablets with me figuring that would do me for the week. Giuliano ended up using some of them so on the last day we had to use my reserve iodine tablets. It is really hard to stay ahead of dehydration if you have to boil water in the jungle.

Blades: I carried a 16 inch machete and my neck knife. I also had a Mora 780, not really as a redundant or back-up just because I like to have a scandi along.

Shelter: I slept under a 3x4 meter black plastic tarp. I also carried a 2x3 meter (very light, machine folded) clear tarp and a supply of duct tape. This allowed me to leave camp set up one day and go off exploring with that smaller tarp along in case we needed to make an emergency shelter. I have learned that when taking an extended trip and using plastic sheeting that you should have the ability to repair or modify as conditions dictate.

I also carried my neck knife kit that has all sorts of stuff that is redundant to my other gear: Button compass, BSA HotSpark and PJ cotton, needle and thread, two birthday candles, LED light, more inner tube rubber, 2 10oz waterbags, KMNO4.
Mac

[Rick]

I have learned that when taking an extended trip and using plastic sheeting that you should have the ability to repair or modify as conditions dictate.

That's true regardless of your shelter. Even a fairly light stick dropping from a tree will punch a hole in a tent. Repairs should always be expected. Even for clothing.

[Pict]

The redundant shoe idea has alot of merit. I don't know how many normal hikes have turned into survival ordeals because of a lack of shoes but it is catastrophic in most cases.

I have had to perform emergency shoe repair many times in the bush. Never on my own beyond broken laces but often with people I've taken to the bush. It is inevitable that if you take a busload of kids on a dayhike you will have several situations develop...

An inhaler will have been left at home, this is the universal constant of kids with asthma: playing X-Box, inhaler, going on a 2 week camping trip, inhaler next to X-Box.

A sneaker will self destruct.

The whitest kid in the group will not wear sunblock and will expose enough of himself to make a good emergency signal.

Mac

[trax]

Guess it's all in how you say it. I can appreciate what WarEagle's trying to accomplish with these posts, but my take is this:

a) I don't "justify" what I do to anyone
b) I know exactly what I need to take when I'm going out into the bush and I expect most folks should take more than I do, so I'd encourage newcomers to the outdoor life to get their advice from someone other than me.

[glockcop]

There is no such thing as "Too Prepared". That all the justification I need . Nuff said. Yall take care