Global Warming

[MedicineWolf]

Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

If the founder of The Weather Channel spoke out strongly against the manmade global warming myth, might media members notice? We're going to find out the answer to that question soon, for John Coleman wrote an article published at ICECAP Wednesday that should certainly garner attention from press members -- assuming journalism hasn't been completely replaced by propagandist activism, that is. Coleman marvelously began: It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus. Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment. I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.
In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious.

So i'm with Beo on this, I don't believe this BS anymore than I do aliens abducted you and did an anal probe on you.

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That entire alien abduction/probe thing is still kind of painful and makes me blush so I wish you'd quit bringing it up ok??

[MedicineWolf]

Sorry bro, mine hurts every now and then too, bad... bad... memories And Granite, I know you just like to get Beo's dander up, kilts and treks, doing a real good job too keep up the good work.

[MedicineWolf]

Would anal probing by aliens be M. Night Shyamalan Signs maybe the aliens are melting the polar ice caps.

[trax]

Actually....it's not nearly as scary as long as I know they are aliens, LMAO

[MedicineWolf]

lol.......... LMAO oh crap that was good.

[Wildlander]

I believe in global warming because I did my homework. It was a three step process. See below.

HOWEVER, I also believe there are those who hope to profit from the situation and thus are promoting the bull**** we are all experiencing. Politicians in particular are using the global warming issue to promote themselves and their careers within government agencies. Essentially, the most successful people create their own job security. Same with people in the environmental agencies like the Forest Service (state and federal agencies), BLM, etc. Let's say you are an ecologist (I actually AM an ecologist). And let's say you want to find more funding for your projects (not me as I am self employeed). All you have to do is tie your project into the global warming issue by stating something like "my project will find solutions to our global warming issues and the upper admin (with direction from congress to find solutions) will fund your project. If it sounds good, it can be used to polish a turd and make your boss look good. Now you have assured your job, made your boss look good, and likely getting a raise. All because you hyped the global warming issue (regardless of whether you believe in it or not). And so there is a lot of corruption and lies out there distorting the issue. But global warming is happening and it is a warming that is FAR faster than the warming or cooling of glacial periods (ten to twenty degrees over thousands of years).

Step 1. Go find an old seed packet from at least 15 years ago. You cannot find a more non-biased source. On the back is a zone map - different colors representing different zones for plant growth. Essentially, these are temperature maps.

NOTE. The zone maps have changed dramatically the last 15 years. The rules for designing the maps have NOT changed. The temperatures have. In Washington State were I live, the maps now show I live in a zone that has moved up two colors (Ellensburg, WA). ALL of washington state has moved up at least one zone and three in some cases. Each color zone represents ten degrees.

If you are over 50, you will know that the sight of seeing palm trees in Seattle is a clear sign that something is NOT right!!!

Step 2. Personal Experience. I am not a city slicker. Example, I commonly go ice fishing in Eastern Washington. In the late 1970's and 1980's we typically fished (and hunted pheasant) in sub zero weather. Our temperatures were commonly 20 below zero. Our fish would come through the ice and flop twice before freezing solid. Fourth of July Lake is one I frequented and 18" trout were not uncommon in those days. Nor was it uncommon to have 12 inches of ice.

Today, we rarely have ice thick enough to go fishing! Six inch ice rarely happens anymore. I have not seen 20 below in the last 15 years. This Dec we actually had our first cold spell. We hit 10 below for two days. WOW! Wippeeeee! And folks will use this as proof that global warming is not happening. What bull****! The truth is, we have barely fallen below zero one or two days the last ten years. Our sub zero winters of 20 and 30 below are GONE!!!

Frogs come out croaking in November and I have to strip down to a t-shirt on some days hunting geese in the Pothole Region of Washington State. NEVER was it like this before. Now, now many of you so-called "outdoorsman" did in fact hunt when you were in your 20s. But you have not gotten off your asses in the last 20 or 30 years and are flapping your lips on how it USED to be but have no god damn clue what it is like out there today. Yes, we still have cold days. But they are NOT nearly as cold or as long of spells of cold weather as they used to be.

Now, there are a lot of couch sitting wanna be's who flap their lips. But clearly, times have changed and so have the temperatures. And those of us who have been a round long enough and are honest with ourselves KNOW we have a real problem. And the true outdoorsman that does not today sit on his couch (and watch TV shows to get his outdoor fix) knows things have changed. And for the worst.

I remember the days when a 95 degree day was hot for Ellensburg. I was a wilderness ranger for the US Forest Service (seasonal employee). Today we get to 105, 110 and even 112 a couple years back. NEVER was it that hot here before the 1980's. And only a fool (as so many are) would stick their head in the sand and deny. And that is EXACTLY what it is - denial. Just like an alcoholic or a drug user. You deny you have a problem. And so too most people wanting to admit THEY are at this very moment causing a problem. Their words are the likes of "phuck you, get lost, stop bothering me and let me keep raping and pillaging"... instead of, should I say, becoming RESPONSIBLE in the way they live and act?!?! Sustainability. Taking life seriously instead of screwing up the future for our kids.

Step 3. If you are not a fat assed couch potatoe, prove it to me. Contact your local airport and the NOAA for temperature maps that go back to the 1930's and 1920's in some cases. Our airport in Ellensburg, WA demonstrates a significant and rapid warming over the last 20 years. Others who took on this venture are reporting the same throughout the state of Washington. Example, nearly all of the graphs for 50 years here prior to 1980 demonstrate that our winters were in fact commonly 20 and 25 below zero (30 below every ten years) sometimes for weeks at a time. This corresponds with my own personal experience hunting and fishing in the 70's and 80's.

It is not so easy to go find out for yourself. I have given you some direction here. Still, most of you nay-sayers will just flap your lips and express your uneducated opinion. You are the ones who will NOT be in my survival network. You are in fact part of the problem and demonstrate poor judgment and reasoning. Certainly, that is not the kind of people I want around me when the SHTF. Everyone has an opinion. Few go out and find for themselves. Those who just flap their lips are NOT welcome in my group.

Wildlander
Ethnobotanist
Owner and General Manager ***** *****
Educated Ecologist
Former IT Consultant to Aerospace and Banking
Not a politician

[crashdive123]

Hey Wildlander - why not flap your lips on over to the introduction section of the forum and do a proper intro.

[Rick]

Welcome home. Well, alrighty then. I read it on the internet so it must be true. I removed your company's name from your post. Around here we call that spam and that can get you banned. Please do as Crash suggested and follow the warm air over to the Intros. Thanks!

[2dumb2kwit]

Ethnobotanist

Educated Ecologist

Hmpf....you'd think someone that smart, would know the difference between weather and climate.

[Rick]

Weather: Used to introduce an interrogative. Means "if" and is used only inside sentences: I don't know weather to bring an umbrella or not.

Climate: A verb. That dang tree ain't that tall. I know I can climate.

[2dumb2kwit]

Thanks, Rick. I knew you'd understand. LOL

[SARKY]

Wildlander,
FACT: in the past 11 years we as a planet have actually been cooling and yes prior to that we were warming.
FACT: Al Gore has made millions upon millons of dollar in this scam by buying up carbon credits then selling them at a profit while at the same time his home uses 10x the electricity of the average home in the US
FACT: Any scientist that has had conflicting data has been stifled by these scam artists
FACT:We now have the e-mails showing that these supposed scientists have been altering their data to show global warming when in fact we have been cooling.
FACT: whenever Gore is asked a direct question about the above facts he either diverts the topic or personally attacks the person asking the question
Do you think based on these facts that perhaps this has been a scam to gain control of our lives and bilk us out of our hard earned money?????

[Winnie]

Well I'm going to put in my two pennies worth. Yes I do believe the earth is warming, BUT
1) the Earth's climate is cyclic. It has warmed and cooled for millenia and will conrinue to do so. At best we just have to accept that, at worst human activity is speeding up the process.
2) You mention 50 years ago temperatures were considerably cooler, well I guess they would be, the world was coming out of a mini ice age.
3) Increased volcanic activity is more likely cool the earth than warm it.(have a looksee what happened to the climate before and after Krakatoa had a hissy fit) Particulate matter thrown up into the atmosphere exceeds the amount of greenhouse gases. This has the net result of reducing the amount of sunlight(and heat) radiating in the general direction of the earth.
4) Even if we do stop all greenhouse gas emmisions tomorrow, the climate will continue to change.

Personally I'm with WW on this one. I'm much more worried about pollutants poisoning the natural world. Acid rain, heavy metal contamination of rivers and lakes has a direct
impact on the world and I'll worry about that far more than if's and but's on the climate.

BTW, if you don't want to hang around with folk who don't believe in climate change caused by human activity, why are you posting? We've all made our feelings pretty clear.

[your_comforting_company]

I have to say I agree with Winnie. Not sure I've posted my thoughts on this before, but it's true that the earth has been warming up ever since the end of the last ice age. Global warming is propaganda. There are active volcanoes that right this minute pump out more sulfuric acid and carbon di/mon-oxide than all the major cities in the US combined
I'm much more concerned about chemical pesticides and mercury poisoning our freshwater supplies. Papermills and waste treatment facilities built directly on the Chattahoochee river have flooded and we've had that $h!+ float all the way down to our big lake.
A flood in '95 washed out a cemetery on the riverbank... that was pretty freaky when you walk up on a casket in the woods...

I'm doing all I can to reduce my carbon footprint, but aside from what little impact that has, I'm conditioning myself and my family to deal with climate change. I think the scientists call it "adapting".

[Pict]

Well I'm going to put in my two pennies worth. Yes I do believe the earth is warming, BUT
1) the Earth's climate is cyclic. It has warmed and cooled for millenia and will conrinue to do so. At best we just have to accept that, at worst human activity is speeding up the process.
2) You mention 50 years ago temperatures were considerably cooler, well I guess they would be, the world was coming out of a mini ice age.
3) Increased volcanic activity is more likely cool the earth than warm it.(have a looksee what happened to the climate before and after Krakatoa had a hissy fit) Particulate matter thrown up into the atmosphere exceeds the amount of greenhouse gases. This has the net result of reducing the amount of sunlight(and heat) radiating in the general direction of the earth.
4) Even if we do stop all greenhouse gas emmisions tomorrow, the climate will continue to change.

Personally I'm with WW on this one. I'm much more worried about pollutants poisoning the natural world. Acid rain, heavy metal contamination of rivers and lakes has a direct
impact on the world and I'll worry about that far more than if's and but's on the climate.

BTW, if you don't want to hang around with folk who don't believe in climate change caused by human activity, why are you posting? We've all made our feelings pretty clear.

Couldn't have said it better and don't have much to add.

When global warming is used to hype giving global power to people I wouldn't trust with my lunch money its a red flag for me. I fear what they will do with power much more than any climate change. This thing is the biggest power grab in the history of the planet. I am not a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist but the fact that there is a global movement that will result in totalitarianism and a smaller, more entrenched elite is as plain as day.

Their unified message is, "You are not capable of governing yourselves, you must be controlled through whatever level of force and coercion necessary for your own good." Elitists have been saying that from the dawn of time in their own local and national way. Now they are saying it on a global scale and it won't end well. Mac

[Rick]

I'm doing all I can to reduce my carbon footprint

Me, too. Maybe not all I can but sure trying very hard. Not being a family of excess, trying to reduce that amount of garbage tossed in a landfill, recycling everything we can, and reducing as much as possible the use of non renewable energy sources has always seemed like the right thing to do.

Very good post, Winnie. I would like to take a drink out of a creek without glowing at night, too.

[Winnie]

I'd just like to add that yes I do as much as I can to keep my carbon footprint small. I have no car, my fuel bills are probably the lowest I know, mainly because I'm a tight wad and take exception to being ripped off by huge energy companies who seem to be able to charge what they like. Like Rick, I recycle where possible and also re-use where possible. If something can be repaired, that'll do me.
It's a question of balance. I'd be off grid in a heartbeat if it were possible and I agree renewables are the way forward for energy production. There are finite fossil fuel resources so it makes sense to explore the alternatives and in the meantime be careful with your energy consumtion.

Edit to add, I'm Degree qualified Environmental Scientist. Don't believe all the hogwash Montbiot et al love putting out there to scare folks.
And don't even get me started on the IPCC.

[Camp10]

It could be, wildlander, that 15 years ago they werent messing with the genes in seeds. The hybrid seeds are designed to grow in colder climates. Not even the craziest of the global warming tards would claim that there is a 10 degree swing in the temps in the last 15 years. I dont think I would put to much stock in that back of the seed pack when it comes to climate change...

Read Sarky's post about the facts..I think there is more data and evidence to support his facts than your " I once had to wear a sweater to goose hunt but now I do it in a tee shirt"

One more thing..I was born in 1973 and that year there was also a summit on climate change but then it was global cooling they were worried about! It was the same brand of scientists making those claims then.

[crashdive123]

Time Magazine put it on their cover, so it must be true right?

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