Global Warming

[Rick]

I was born in 1973

(Head slap) Man, I wear underwear older than that.

[finallyME]

I was wondering when someone would bring it up. Got to love trolls.

So, lets stick to the topic at hand and not deviate on worthless ventures. Is the Globe warming? This isn't the question to be asking. Why are "scientists" wasting valuable resources on this question. Come on people, thermometers can answer this question (if they aren't placed next to NOAA's air conditioners ). The only question we should be worried about is....Are WE causing global warming? Or, an even better question...Does adding more CO2 to the atmosphere cause the earth to become much warmer? Let's pretend that the earth is warming, and even causing climate change. That DOES NOT prove that OUR CO2 emissions are the cause. Now for some argument.

1. Weather balloons can find no hot spots that warming green house gases would leave. Conclusion...something else (Not CO2) is causing warming.
2. Ice core samples have shown that for the last half-million years, temperature rises have always preceded (gone before) carbon dioxide rises, by an average of 800 years. Conclusion...something else is causing warming.
3. CO2 can only soak up its favorite wavelength. When there is more CO2 then the wavelength it soaks up, it can't take any more. That means that adding more CO2 will have NO warming effect. Simple physics. So, does an Ethnobotanist have to take physics? Conclusion...something else is causing warming.

Anyways, here is one of my favorite quotes.

"Physics is the only real science. The rest are just stamp collecting."

-- Ernest Rutherford

[Pict]

I'm doing my part. My house has solar hot water. That sounds great but all electricity in Brazil is hydroelectric.

The guy who installed my solar hot water system was a total eco-hippy, really nice guy but you are familiar with the type, tie-died shirt and all. He was explaining how to use it. He said, "Now if you just want to wash your hands or something use the cold water." I asked why. "So you don't waste energy!" I said, "It's solar, the energy is wasted whether I use it or not. I can waste water but not energy." From the look on his face I don't think he had ever considered it and he designs and installs the systems. He was just so ingrained that we shouldn't waste energy that he takes short solar showers. Mac

[Rick]

That guy probably went home that night and took the longest shower of his life. Love it!

[NightShade]

Hey I'm no scientist (surprise).... I've seen data and arguments supporting both sides... Don't know what to believe... Don't much care either...
I try to live my life with as little obvious environmental impact as possible, because i'd like my kids, and my kid's kids to enjoy what I've enjoyed....
That being said, I have seen a remarkable change in pollution and building in my relatively short life span, and not for the better...
Am I an environmentalist?.. I don't know.... Love the wilderness!!.. I sure aint chaining myself to a tree or floating in front of whales!
Many "environmentalist activists" I know are really just D-Bags who never even walk in the woods and just turn me off to the whole movement.

[smhg]

Couldn't have said it better and don't have much to add.

When global warming is used to hype giving global power to people I wouldn't trust with my lunch money its a red flag for me. I fear what they will do with power much more than any climate change. This thing is the biggest power grab in the history of the planet. I am not a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist but the fact that there is a global movement that will result in totalitarianism and a smaller, more entrenched elite is as plain as day.

Their unified message is, "You are not capable of governing yourselves, you must be controlled through whatever level of force and coercion necessary for your own good." Elitists have been saying that from the dawn of time in their own local and national way. Now they are saying it on a global scale and it won't end well. Mac

Well said Mac (& Winnie in your post.)

Your comment "I am not a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist..'' made me chuckle - It is totally fine if you are Conspiracy theorists probably know a lot more than most people, and I am sure there are a few on this forum! About a year or so ago, even Fox News admitted that a lot of what conspiracy theorists have been saying for a long time is coming true.

The elite (whether people call them the illuminati, rockefellers, rothschilds, etc.) are moving full-force ahead on their globalization plan and the global warming ''climate-gate'' is just one of the tools used to get the financial market under their one government control. Copenhagen set the framework for the global government, so 2010 will be an interesting year, to say the least.

I am sure we have not heard the last about global warming....even though the climate is actually in a cooling cycle right now.

I saw your other post about solar heated water. We will do the same thing when we build...many people in our neighborhood have solar water heat. I had to laugh at what the guy said to you!

Moderators: Sorry if I went too political...just edit my post if I did. I am still trying to figure out the parameters regarding politics. Some posts have more than others.

[Rick]

Looks fine so far.

[2dumb2kwit]

I'm doing my part. My house has solar hot water. That sounds great but all electricity in Brazil is hydroelectric.

The guy who installed my solar hot water system was a total eco-hippy, really nice guy but you are familiar with the type, tie-died shirt and all. He was explaining how to use it. He said, "Now if you just want to wash your hands or something use the cold water." I asked why. "So you don't waste energy!" I said, "It's solar, the energy is wasted whether I use it or not. I can waste water but not energy." From the look on his face I don't think he had ever considered it and he designs and installs the systems. He was just so ingrained that we shouldn't waste energy that he takes short solar showers. Mac

Now that's a funny story!
A great example of not thinking about the how or why. LOL

[Winnie]

I'm doing my part. My house has solar hot water. That sounds great but all electricity in Brazil is hydroelectric.

The guy who installed my solar hot water system was a total eco-hippy, really nice guy but you are familiar with the type, tie-died shirt and all. He was explaining how to use it. He said, "Now if you just want to wash your hands or something use the cold water." I asked why. "So you don't waste energy!" I said, "It's solar, the energy is wasted whether I use it or not. I can waste water but not energy." From the look on his face I don't think he had ever considered it and he designs and installs the systems. He was just so ingrained that we shouldn't waste energy that he takes short solar showers. Mac

Ahh that would be water shortages then

[Pict]

I saw your other post about solar heated water. We will do the same thing when we build...many people in our neighborhood have solar water heat. I had to laugh at what the guy said to you!

Solar hot water in Brazil is a no-brainer. It does require installing separate copper hot water lines in the house when you build but it is worth every centavo. I installed the system because it made solid economic and lifestyle sense. I like my long showers and reduced electric bills.

For those who don't live here, Brazilian homes do not have central heat or AC normally. Hot water is usually electric at the point of use, such as the ever popular electric shower head.

If you do install solar make sure that whatever appliances you buy can be hooked up to it. Many washing machines here are set up to heat their own water and that can't be altered due to the way the sensors and programming are set up. The guy selling the machines will tell you whatever so be sure to check it out.

Consult with a solar heat specialist before you build the house. There has to be enough vertical distance between the panels and the hot water tanks to create a convection circulation. The tanks go under the cold water reserve and above the collection panels. The hot water circulates by natural thermal convection. Colder water from the bottom of the hot water tanks sinks to the bottom of the panels, gets heated and rises back to the top of the hot water tanks.

Mac

[Rick]

Electric shower head, huh?

[Camp10]

Electric shower head, huh?

mine is hydraulic!

[canid]

quite the coincidence: mine is hydraulic too.

[NightShade]

Mine is chrome plated..

[Ole WV Coot]

I know what a head is, now to the shower.........

[Plastic Brick]

Hi. I don't know if this is a dead horse topic but since certain beliefs in my field can control designing and employment in general I wanted to ask who believes in Global Warming and why.

I'm actually a skeptic of it and of most science that isn't confirmed by the scientific method (meaning a theory that is made law only after repeatedly being tested time and time again). However, I am open to whatever info and opinions you wish to give, and am assuming that this isn't an illegal topic on the forum.

[Rick]

I believe in Global Change. It seems to happen every few hours around here. It was -1 this morning and now it's about 27. So today, it's warming.

[welderguy]

Global warming huh. Nope at this point cant say it holds much merit with me.

[Rick]

Now that's funny I don't care who you are.

[hoosierarcher]

When NASA scientists pointed out that EVERY increase in global temperature listed by "green" scientists were consistent with increased solar activity the "green" scientists ignored or derided the NASA data as specious. Now NASA shows that solar activity is decreasing slightly and it's getting slightly colder. Gee whodathunkit?
Never trust a scientist whose government grants depend on his results. NASA gets it's funding regardless of what they discover or report; not So climate scientists.