Glock Owners Sound Off!

[TangoFoxtrot]

The Army should dump the M9 Berettas and switch to Glocks.

[Pal334]

The Army should dump the M9 Berettas and switch to Glocks.

At the risk of giving Glockcop apoplexy, I have to agree a change is needed. That M9 sucks big time. In my opinion is even worse than the M15 S&W .38 revolver we in the USAF were issued for years. So in order to get rid of the Berreta, I would vote for a Glock if there was no chance of getting the manly 1911 re issued (sorry, could not let Glock cop think he converted me )

[glockcop]

At the risk of giving Glockcop apoplexy, I have to agree a change is needed. That M9 sucks big time. In my opinion is even worse than the M15 S&W .38 revolver we in the USAF were issued for years. So in order to get rid of the Berreta, I would vote for a Glock if there was no chance of getting the manly 1911 re issued (sorry, could not let Glock cop think he converted me )

Pal, I would never try to convert you from your darling. Besides, my chidding excluded, the 1911 really is a good weapon anyway. You will not see the military go back to the 1911 because average joe soldier is not the most trainable monkey on the planet. The 1911 is just a little harder to learn. "Cocked and locked" with minimal training is SCAREY indead. I know the military mandates an empty chamber for carry but you know some jackhole will break the rules and blow a hole in his leg with a cocked and locked 1911. This is not going to surprise you but I disagree about the M9. I think it is a fine weapon that truth be told did just as well as the 1911 in mud/sand contaminate testing, and mean rounds between malfunctions done by the military back in the 80's. I said it before and here goes again...If the Glock was tested along side the other pistols in the military trials, our boys would be carrying polymer pitols today. The lack of an external safety ensured the Glock would not be allowed in the tests as mandated by military requirement. The recent problem with the M9 was that the military received some non mil spec mags from an independant vendor which clogged with sand. This problem has been resolved with modified FACTORY mags with a sand groove. The military reissued all FACTORY mags then pulled the NON factory (garbage) mags and the problem is history. Like anything else, once bad press hits a product's name, the sheeple can't get passed it. I fully understand that you will not agree . And that is OK too. Stay safe, Brother.

[Pal334]

BINGO!!!!! AGAIN "I fully understand that you will not agree "

Magazines are the least of its problems. Is garbage, beginning to end. I have said in the past that I qualify well with it, but would never rely on it. It is So bad, I would even use a Glock before one!!!!!! (imagine that )

[glockcop]

BINGO!!!!! AGAIN "I fully understand that you will not agree "

Magazines are the least of its problems. Is garbage, beginning to end. I have said in the past that I qualify well with it, but would never rely on it. It is So bad, I would even use a Glock before one!!!!!! (imagine that )

To play The Devil's Advocate for a moment.....I wonder how the Beretta 92 beat out several major companies THREE times for the military contract? It beat those other companies THREE times with the 1911 used as a baseline. How could this be. I'll tell Ya how. The contract goes to the lowest bidder, right? Well the numbers on paper don't lie and it won plain and simple. It also just happened to cost the least amount. Does that in itself make it a bad weapon. NO. Even Ray Charles could see that! The Glock is unquestionably better with Sig every bit as good but it (the Beretta) is not a bad weapon obviously. This is a classic example of nearly 25 year old sour grapes. 1911 guys can't stand the fact that the 1911 was replaced by something at least as good as what the military already had. Certain military branches resisted the testing and even tried to "manipulate" the outcome. Well that didn't work either. The Beretta still won. It even won out over the 1911's baseline numbers and that is just hard to swallow. Even a quater of a centry later their feelings are still bruised. I know, I know. I was not there but the easily found records show the facts, conspiracies, and triumph behind the whole endevor. If we listen to all of the armchair warriors out there our military would still be using M1 Garand's and inaccurate, rusting single stack pistols with ammo (.45 acp FMJ) that won't penetrate auto glass reliably. Oooops. I forgot to mention the .45 acp won't reliably go through two car doors and the 9mm will. I've witnessed it on the street and in department ammo tests. The .45 acp is NOT very good at penetrating vehicles. Reminds me of why so many cops got away from it during Prohibition in favor of the .38 super (ballistric twin of 9mm plus P). Isn't that a MAJOR complaint in the sandbox. Ammo without enough penetration through medium barriers. Well I guess that's been fixed now too. For the record I like the 1911 just fine. Remember, I'm just playing the "advocate". The devil is now signing off . Stay Safe, Brother.

P.S. The Beretta 92 fs is soooo bad that it was recently awarded another military contract for a half million more pistols. This is the largest small arms contract since WW2. This is all after several DOD investigations pushed through by a couple of Army Colonels with 25 year old sour grapes regarding complaints about the Beretta. The complaints were ultimately discovered to be unfounded or unreasonable. Man, that Beretta 92 FS sure is a sh*tty pistol.

[aflineman]

I don't own a Glock. Grip angle just does not fit me. Always shoot the darn thing high. That is me and not the firearm. If I owned one, it would be the Glock 19. Good balance, nice size, and just plain works. As far as tools go, the Glock is the Estwing of firearms. Darn hard to break, but not for everyone.

[Old GI]

Part of the story, GC. Politics played a VERY important part in the Beretta selection. Also, a significant portion of Spec Ops organizations are so impressed with the M9, they are going to the 45 ACP of various models.

[glockcop]

Part of the story, GC. Politics played a VERY important part in the Beretta selection. Also, a significant portion of Spec Ops organizations are so impressed with the M9, they are going to the 45 ACP of various models.

I did say that I was playing "Devil's advocate". You say "part of the story"? Well here it is in it's entirety.... Nothing changes the FACT that the Beretta still scored better than the other guy's pistols including the 1911 (with exception to Sig Sauer who tied the Beretta scores). The Beretta still is, and will be for a long time, our broad scale military pistol no matter who does not like it. Sorry that is the way it is. The Beretta is a good pistol that has served our military well as witness by a half million MORE on order. The Beretta has survived futile attacks by biased military brass that want it gone for no other reason than, "it is not a 1911 .45". It survived those attacks and bogus complaints because it is unquestionably a reliable design. I hear the "1911 sour grapes" takes at least 100 years to get over. I don't think we will be around to see it .

P.S. The move toward .45acp by some "special ops" groups has very little to do with the Beretta design but much more to do with their dislike for the 9mm FMJ cartriage. The .45 FMJ will also not impress them in the end. They unwhitingly think "bigger is better". In reality all pistol rounds (FMJ in particular), whether measured in standard or metric, suck. Criminals rarely use expensive HP ammo. I have seen more than a few "gang bangers" soak up .45 FMJ loads from their enemies and still live to fight another day. "They all fall to .45 ball"......Bullsh*t! Nuff said.

[Pal334]

Part of the story, GC. Politics played a VERY important part in the Beretta selection. Also, a significant portion of Spec Ops organizations are so impressed with the M9, they are going to the 45 ACP of various models.

Total agreement. Guess it is a "house" with many rooms. Serious people WITH A CHOICE in combat situations do pick the .45 even in FMJ . It just works, and will be my choice again as it has been for 30 plus years if the need arises. The debate will never be resolved, so once again lets agree to disagree.

I hear the "1911 sour grapes" takes at least 100 years to get over. No sour grapes here, I vote with something nearand dear to me, "my butt"

[glockcop]

Total agreement. Guess it is a "house" with many rooms. Serious people WITH A CHOICE in combat situations do pick the .45 even in FMJ . It just works, and will be my choice again as it has been for 30 plus years if the need arises. The debate will never be resolved, so once again lets agree to disagree.

I hear the "1911 sour grapes" takes at least 100 years to get over. No sour grapes here, I vote with something nearand dear to me, "my butt"

Pal, "serious people with a choice"? I like to think that being a Police Detective is serious. As a firearm instructor and Detective I can carry whatever I want. I am not so clouded as to think the .45 is the end all, do all of combat cartriages. The fact is that NO combat pistol caliber is the better in a fight than another. As an example I have seen .45 and just about all pistol ammo fail on the street. "Gang bangers" are no more dead when they are hit with a well placed shot from a .45 than from a 9mm. I have seen more than a few "gagstas" take .45 ACP FMJ rounds and live. 9mm as a matter of FACT penetrates car bodies and auto glass much better than .45 ACP. A State Trooper buddy of mine shot at a perp inside a vehicle seven times with only two penetrating the glass. A Deputy with a 9mm ended the fight with all three of his shots penetrating the glass and killing the perp. We and other departments have gotten very similar ammo test results. "Caliber love" reflects personal bias, NOT fact. It is your right to carry whatever caliber you want for no other reason than it makes you feel more safe. I, on the other hand, know they ALL fail. I will not lay the "My caliber is better than your caliber" blanket down. The .45 ACP is not the rule and 9mm is not a weaker sibling. Reread the "PS" from my previous post. For those that think the 1911 is better than the Beretta and say "The 1911 has protected my a$$ for xxx years". Well that is not a vindication for the 1911's outdated design. Jesse James said that his gun "protected his a$$ for xxx years" too. Jessie's Colt SAA and the 1911 are both in fact outdated designs no matter how many years they "protected a$$es". Stay safe.

[TangoFoxtrot]

Hey Pal334, Once you go Glock you'll never go back! Come to the dark side!

[Pal334]

Hey Pal334, Once you go Glock you'll never go back! Come to the dark side!

Naah,, too old to want to change. Besides, who is going to tweak Glockcop and the other kids?.

[glockcop]

Naah,, too old to want to change. Besides, who is going to tweak Glockcop and the other kids?.

We love ya just like you are. Don't change a thing Pal. Don't worry about me though. I have outgrown a baby sitter and learned a few things along the way. Especially from the baby sitter.

[xj2000]

I love Glocks. At one point I had a G22 and two G27s, but traded one of the 27s. So now i'm just down to the 22 and 27. But they're great guns.

[glockcop]

I love Glocks. At one point I had a G22 and two G27s, but traded one of the 27s. So now i'm just down to the 22 and 27. But they're great guns.

You ,my friend, are obviously a wise man . If you ever have a few extra bucks to spend on a pistol, I also recommend you try Glock's prettier sister....The Sig 220/226/229. After 15 plus years as a LE firearms instructor, a few hundred thousand rounds, and a few hundred cadets later I can confidently say that these are the two absolute BEST combat pistols in the world, PERIOD! They don't ever break and rarely, if ever, malfunction NO MATTER the conditions. Accept no substitute. Your life is worth the best the firearms industry has to offer. Stay safe.

[Rick]

But what he didn't say, GC, is that he prefers an outstanding 911 to a great Glock.

[xj2000]

You ,my friend, are obviously a wise man . If you ever have a few extra bucks to spend on a pistol, I also recommend you try Glock's prettier sister....The Sig 220/226/229. After 15 plus years as a LE firearms instructor, a few hundred thousand rounds, and a few hundred cadets later I can confidently say that these are the two absolute BEST combat pistols in the world, PERIOD! They don't ever break and rarely, if ever, malfunction. Accept no substitute. Your life is worth the best the firearms industry has to offer. Stay safe.

Well, thank you for the compliment but, I have to respectfully disagree with you on the sigs. I also work in law enforcement and i'll tell ya, not many guys carry sigs on or off duty at my department at least. I have fired a sig, and it wouldn't stop jamming. Then again, it was only one sig i shot, so i could be wrong.

[Beo]

I happen to own a Glock 22 .40 and it's a good weapon. Although I don't swear by it, it does do the job and take a beating. I simply prefer the H&K USP .40 or my all time favorite the standard Colt Competition .45 as my first choice. I also prefer nothing smaller than a .40 as I want the muzzle velocity to knock Johnny Bad Guy on his azz and never get back up. But thats just me.
My next handgun will be the FN Five Seven, it's 5.7 x 28mm and a real great weapon. I have shot the crap outta the one we have at work and it is the next best thing to an H&K I have found. We beat the snot outta the thing and kept going and didn't clean until it stove piped on the 238th round, no crap!
Only thing is the smaller caliber that gets me but it went through one of our old duty vests at fifty feet, nice for us but bad if the Johnny Bad Guys have them. Of course I can hit what I aim at though.
Beo,

[glockcop]

But what he didn't say, GC, is that he prefers an outstanding 911 to a great Glock.

Hey Rick, I love the joking around but to each his own. I know the only two pistols in the world I have absolute trust in have "Glock" or "Sig" on the slide. I will recommend, but never tell someone what to carry (with the exception of my rookies of course). My life is worth the best .

[xj2000]

But what he didn't say, GC, is that he prefers an outstanding 911 to a great Glock.

911s are great firearms, I prefer my Glock though.