Damned Fools!

**Ken** · 11-22-2009, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Rick

They pass health care reform and I'll be piiiiiiiiiiiizzd. Not pi$$ed like I stepped in a pile of dog poo that my neighbor's dog left in my yard. Pi$$ed like I'm going to join you guys with the pitchforks and torches.

"Historic Health Care Bill Clears Senate Hurdle"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...HW-ywD9C4GEUG1

Rick, start checkin' the bottom of your shoes.

Sarky?

**Pal334** · 11-22-2009, 03:43 PM

I was just thinking. If we should make a fundamental change in the way important decisions are made by our elected officials. By utilizing existing technologies we could move towards a true democratic process.
I would suggest using Virtual Private Networking (VPN) http://compnetworking.about.com/od/v...Networking.htm with an encryption token (example : VeriSign http://www.verisign.com/authenticati...FUlo5QodWw1lmw)

Set up a program by which registered voters join a VPN via the token (probably would be a cost to the voter for the token) and when a vote comes up, or an important decision is to be made a registered voter would visit a designated site and weigh in on a poll with their opinion. This would give the esteemed legislators near real time feeling for what their constituents are really thinking. Each “question” would be posted with associated documents (yep probably huge documents) would have a finite voting period (perhaps 72 hours) prior to any legislative vote, and then it closes. The results are “read only” to all parties and accessible by all "read only"(no need for a token or VPN access). And if your representative does not comply with his / her constituents it is instantly apparent and the record would be always available for review.

I am sure there are a few gaps in my proposal, but it is a germ of an idea to bring the “cretins” out into the light and make them accountable. And would also stop folks from whining, they have easy access to the system.

**2dumb2kwit** · 11-22-2009, 04:09 PM

Pal, I think you are working under an incorrect assumption.

I don't think we are having a problem with the politicians knowing what the people want. I think we have the opposite problem. People (in general) don't have any idea what the politicians are voting on, or how it will affect them or this country. (And some just don't care.)

I still say that these bills should be written in language that the average citizen can read and understand.

I also think that "News" agencies need to report what the bills mean, and when the vote is taken, they need to report how each politician voted.
If they do not, or if they slant or mislead, they suffer great consequences.

I also think all "pork" should be reported on, with the list of who asked for it, and who benifits from it.

**2dumb2kwit** · 11-22-2009, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

They pass health care reform and I'll be piiiiiiiiiiiizzd. Not pi$$ed like I stepped in a pile of dog poo that my neighbor's dog left in my yard. Pi$$ed like I'm going to join you guys with the pitchforks and torches.

Rick, If what I have read is correct, a lot of the health care stuff doesn't really kick in until 2013. You know....after the November, 2012 elections.

That being said, do you think people are going to figure a lot of things out, and get really ticked of....oh....I don't know......say, in December of 2012???

(Que Twilight zone theme song.)

**Pal334** · 11-22-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by 2dumb2kwit

Pal, I think you are working under an incorrect assumption.

I don't think we are having a problem with the politicians knowing what the people want. I think we have the opposite problem. People (in general) don't have any idea what the politicians are voting on, or how it will affect them or this country. (And some just don't care.)

I still say that these bills should be written in language that the average citizen can read and understand.

I also think that "News" agencies need to report what the bills mean, and when the vote is taken, they need to report how each politician voted.
If they do not, or if they slant or mislead, they suffer great consequences.

I also think all "pork" should be reported on, with the list of who asked for it, and who benifits from it.

Perhaps, but I do feel that sinse there is no immediate action, they ignore the public will in favor of the political expedience. This idea would get "people in the game" and gives instant feed back on "those peoples " actions. As for the media taking a role,they have distorted things enough. As for those that just don't care, tough c**p for them. I don't want us dumbied down for them. And I do believe that shortly after this starts (I am a dreamer) you would see the language being simplified, because "they" would actually have to read them! Well, the pork would be right there, on the net for everyone and their brother and sister to read!!!!

Bring the cockroaches out into the light.

Mmm getting down from my soap box, need a cup of coffee

**2dumb2kwit** · 11-22-2009, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Pal334

Perhaps, but I do feel that sinse there is no immediate action, they ignore the public will in favor of the political expedience. This idea would get "people in the game" and gives instant feed back on "those peoples " actions. As for the media taking a role,they have distorted things enough. As for those that just don't care, tough c**p for them. I don't want us dumbied down for them. And I do believe that shortly after this starts (I am a dreamer) you would see the language being simplified, because "they" would actually have to read them! Well, the pork would be right there, on the net for everyone and their brother and sister to read!!!!

Bring the cockroaches out into the light.

Mmm getting down from my soap box, need a cup of coffee

LOL....I have said before, that we should test politicians, to verify that they have read and understand every bill that they vote on. And I mean put them on trial for dereliction of duty, if they haven't done their job!

**Rick** · 11-22-2009, 05:28 PM

What we need is a complete revamp.

Thank you for calling the White House. Please listen carefully as our menu has changed. For English, press 1. For any other language, press 2 and be connected to Rosetta Stone where you can sign up to learn English. After you complete your classes, please come back and press 1.

To explain to the President how the hog ate the cabbage, Press 3
To explain to the Secretary of State how it's done in your neck of the woods, Press 4
To explain to the Secretary of Defense what the term "defense" means, Press 5
To listen to a terrorist being waterboarded, Press 6 again and again and again
To order a genuine jar of pork fat to dip your bullets in, Press 7

**2dumb2kwit** · 11-22-2009, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

They pass health care reform and I'll be piiiiiiiiiiiizzd. Not pi$$ed like I stepped in a pile of dog poo that my neighbor's dog left in my yard. Pi$$ed like I'm going to join you guys with the pitchforks and torches.

Originally Posted by 2dumb2kwit

Rick, If what I have read is correct, a lot of the health care stuff doesn't really kick in until 2013. You know....after the November, 2012 elections.

That being said, do you think people are going to figure a lot of things out, and get really ticked of....oh....I don't know......say, in December of 2012???

(Que Twilight zone theme song.)

I mean, think about it. Old guys in thongs, protesting cheap Govco laxatives....pitchfork in one hand, Twinkie in the other......chanting "heck no, we can't go"......

That would no longer be the world, as I knew it!

**Rick** · 11-22-2009, 05:33 PM

So sad. True, but sad.

**Ken** · 11-22-2009, 05:33 PM

*Nasally Voice Answers*

"I'm sorry, the number you have reached, 202-456-1414, is being checked for trouble. Please try your call again in 2013."

**Ken** · 11-22-2009, 05:35 PM

The reason the health care legislation won't take effect until 2013 is, in part, because it will take that long to amend it (i.e. make it even worse) and to write the 20,000 pages of Federal Regs (Code of Federal Regulations) necessary to implement it.