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    Question Ten Essentials Input

    In light of the Ten Essentials Coming up in a post I thought I would ask?This is the Ten Essentials and there uses accordin to Wiki. This thread has probably come up before but I was just wonderin whats good and what could be changed in this Ten Essential List. O BTW in general In any given hipothetical situation it would be nice to change some things.Here it is.

    A map and compass prevents one from getting lost in the field. Losing one's bearing in unfamiliar terrain raises the risk of anxiety and panic, and hence, physical injury. Maps that cover the relevant area in sufficient detail and dimension (topography, trails, roads, campsites, towns, etc.) and the skill and knowledge to use them are indispensable when traveling through the outdoors, especially when the place of travel lacks signage, markings or guides. Even a basic compass can help an individual find his way to safety.


    * Flashlights and headlamps protect against physical injury when traveling in the dark. A flashlight is also useful for finding things in the pack, observing wildlife in dark crevices and folds, and for distant signaling. Extra batteries and bulbs are highly recommended. Lamps using LEDs have become very popular, due to their robustness and low power consumption.


    * Extra food and water can prevent or cure hypothermia and dehydration, common illness that can be serious risks in the backcountry where immediate medical response is not possible. These items also minimize the likelihood of panic. It is not recommended that one eat food when there is no water, as the body requires water to metabolize food.


    * Extra clothes protect against hypothermia. Multiple layers of clothes are generally warmer than a single thick garment. By having the ability to simply take off a layer of clothes, one can avoid overheating, which can cause sweat and dampen clothing. Moreover, a change into dry clothes is the fastest way to become warm. Extra clothing is also useful for protection from the elements, including thorns, insects, sun, wind, and often cold. If necessary, they can be cut into bandages, used as a tree climbing aid, made into hotpads, pillows, towels, or makeshift ropes. For overnight trekking, one should keep one set of clothes dry for wear in the evening. One can wear the "day" clothes during the next day's hike when they are drier.


    * Sunglasses help prevent snowblindness. Sunlight, especially when reflected in snow, can seriously limit visibility, and jeopardize one's ability to travel safely.


    * A first aid kit usually contains items to treat cuts, abrasions (blisters), punctures and burns. Additional items might address broken fingers, limbs, cardiac conditions, hypothermia, frostbite, hyperthermia, hypoxia, decompression sickness, insect and snake bites, allergic reactions, burns and other wounds. If applicable, include any personal medications.


    * A knife is useful for opening packages, building shelter, shaving wood for tinder, eating, field surgery (after sterilization), cutting rope and clothing, etc. A larger knife (machete) might be essential when one needs or desires to go off trail into thicker growth. A heavier ax or knife is more effective when one has larger needs for construction or for collecting firewood.


    * Matches (or a lighter) and fire starter (typically chemical heat tabs or canned heat)[3] to light a campfire is useful for preventing hypothermia and to signal for aid. In an emergency, a fire increases one's psychological will to survive.


    * A water treatment device (filter or chemical treatment) make water potable. All water, including that from streams, lakes, or pools, needs to be treated for bacteria and viruses in order to ensure safety. Most backcountry travelers carry a water filter: low end models are inexpensive and provide protection against many pathogens, but not viruses. Some more expensive filters and improved chemical treatments get rid of most health risks, including giardia and other protozoa and viruses. Treating the water reduces the likelihood of gastrointestinal diseases. Since some chemical treatments such as iodine or chlorine may leave a bad taste, many suggest mixing in a flavor to hide the taste. These include powdered lemonade or fruit drinks, or other Tang, Gatorade, or Crystal Light.


    * A whistle is a compact, lightweight, and inexpensive way to signal for help. Although a person cannot shout for a long period, he can whistle for extended amounts of time. Moreover, the sharp sound of a whistle travels over longer distances than the human voice, and provides a much more distinct sound. Although environmental factors such as wind, snow, and heavy rain may drown out a voice, the sound of a whistle is clearly distinguishable in the field.
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    A map and compass prevents one from getting lost in the field


    Actually, you need to know how to use them. A map will help too.
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    I disagree with the flashlight. After you get night vision it's just as good as someone using a flashlight, if not better, because you'll retain your peripheral vision.

    Sunglasses... meh... I've lived in the UP 99.9% of my life and I never used sunglasses to stop 'snow blindness'. In fact we pretty much mock anyone who wears sunglasses outside of spring/summer. Unless you're traveling the arctic where it's just a single plain of snow to the horizon, there's always landmarks (even the lowly tree) to guide you. And snow blindness itself... squint? Works for me.

    EDIT: I knocked my first aid kit down to moleskin, antidiarrhea tablets, and a suture kit. I think everything else they listed is useless unless you're allergic to bee stings or are in an area with poisonous snakes. Knowledge of some plants will save you the expense of hauling out some antibiotics (mashed apple leaves for starters) and other common stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitch.chesney View Post
    I disagree with the flashlight. After you get night vision it's just as good as someone using a flashlight, if not better, because you'll retain your peripheral vision.

    Sunglasses... meh... I've lived in the UP 99.9% of my life and I never used sunglasses to stop 'snow blindness'. In fact we pretty much mock anyone who wears sunglasses outside of spring/summer. Unless you're traveling the arctic where it's just a single plain of snow to the horizon, there's always landmarks (even the lowly tree) to guide you. And snow blindness itself... squint? Works for me.

    EDIT: I knocked my first aid kit down to moleskin, antidiarrhea tablets, and a suture kit. I think everything else they listed is useless unless you're allergic to bee stings or are in an area with poisonous snakes. Knowledge of some plants will save you the expense of hauling out some antibiotics (mashed apple leaves for starters) and other common stuff.
    I'm sorry Mitch, but I disagree with you. 1st a flashlight can come in mighty useful in a cave or just trying to find something in the dark or in the bottom of your pack at night. 2nd sunglasses not only help with the glare off of snow, but any time of the year glare is present. Not to mention blocking harmful types "A", "B", & "C" UV rays. Also, if you die, when they find your corpse you still look cool! 3rd, I carry a 1st aid kit much like the one Cody Lundin describes. Bandaids and iodine help prevent infection as well as the iodine helping in purifying water. IBProfuien tablets prevent pain; baking soda can help with heartburn or gas, the latter maybe saving your life if your tent-mates don't care for the smell.
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    I'm with Sarge on this the shades are a must and polarized make them even better for spoting things in the water , I would never go anywhere without a least 1 flash light not only for the above mentioned reasons but for signals at night and I must admit my first aid kit is a tad large.
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    Ditto on what Sarge said. There are some studies that suggest UVB rays on unprotected eyes can cause cataracts as well as growths in the eyes called pingueculae or pterygia. Not to mention a rather painful case of snow blindness. None of which I need so I carry my shades.

    Even my best night vision doesn't reflect eyeballs staring at me. My flashlight does. Sarge's cave scenario is right on target. I crawled in one and shined the light ahead of me to find two rather large eyes reflected back at me. Being the gentleman I am, I found another home.

    If you are caught out on the snow without glasses and the glare is just too much wrap a piece of duct tape around your head sticky side out overlapping the piece so you have a circle of tape the size of you head. Wrap another piece of tape over the first one with the sticky side in. Now cut a notch for your nose and two slits for your eyes and you have a pair of expedient sun glasses. It won't stop the UV rays but will cut down on the glare.
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    snowblindness is serious s**t. I wouldn't go out in the winter without sunglasses, and up north it's sunniest on the coldest of days in January and February, no cloud cover to keep any heat down.

    You can track at night with a flashlight. I've never met anyone with night vision good enough to pick out tracks the way a light will. Anyone tells me they have, I'm gonna think they're lying.
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    I wear my sunglasses all year round,the glare of the sun off the snow hurts.
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    Here's a great story about being snow blind in just a few hours.

    http://pweb.jps.net/~prichins/sblind.htm

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    Instead of a flashlight I use a headlamp on the trails at night. I just got a new Energizer headlamp, it has 2 white LEDs and one red light which preserves night vision.

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    A simple survival kit that can be tossed in a day pack, backpack, or cargo pocket. These items can make the difference in a short term survival situation, 24-48 hours. The sweet thing about it, it all fits in a wide-mouth Nalgene bottle!!!

    1. Steel Match w/ Magnesium bar & a 3 in. piece of hack saw blade
    2. Light weight emergency poncho
    3. Head lamp (small type) w/ batteries
    4. Emergency Blanket
    5. Pocket Knife
    6. Water treatment tablets
    7. First Aid Kit:
    a) Band Aids
    b) Iodine
    c) Roll of Gauze
    d) Tylenol
    e) Compact Towel Tablets (9 x 9.4)
    8. Mini. Compass
    9. Whistle
    10. Small Signal Mirror
    11. 10 ft. of 550 cord
    12. Bouillon Packets
    13. Hard Candy
    14. Water Bottle, 1 qt., wide mouth
    15. Water bottle cup (fits on bottom of water bottle)
    16. Duct Tape ( wrap around top of water bottle)

    I have squeezed even more in some of the kits I've made!!!

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    Corndog - My son uses a headlamp and swears by it. He uses it to hike at night among all the other uses. I'm a died in the wool Maglite guy. They're cheap and dang near indestructible. I just purchased an LED version. Zowie, what a lot of light! I tried Lundin's suggestion and wrapped a bunch of duct tape around the end (I also taped a piece of paracord onto the end to form a loop). The duct tape allows me to hold the flashlight in my mouth if I need to use it hands free. The tape provides a soft cushion for my teeth and my lips don't touch cold metal.

    PGV - I've seen a lot of bottle kits and they are a pretty neat idea. My only reservation with them is...if you have to use it and you need the bottle for water, what do you do with the rest of the stuff? You don't list it and might carry one with you but add a bandana and you could carry the stuff hobo style. Just a thought. What are Compact Towel Tablets (9 x 9.4)?
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    Water Bottle Kits are meant to be small but offer vital survival supplies. I teach that survival supplies are meant to be kept in reserve for when they are needed. Empty the items in the bottle and put them in your pockets, the bottle is now free to be used for water if needed.

    I feel there's a difference in properly packing for an outing and a survival kit. Everyone has gone out at one time or another and found themselves needing something they forgot or have found themselves in a bad situation. A survival kit helps fill the needs that are created by a survival situation. Learning to properly pack for an outing your going on is a whole other subject. But if you get in the habit in keeping a small survival kit with you no matter what, your odds increase greatly in a wilderness survival situation.

    There are many types of survival kits, the water bottle type is just one. You can get a water bottle carrier that will fit the size of the bottle with it's cup. You can then carry the kit on your belt if you like. If your going out for any amount of time, you should carry another bottle of water with you as the survival kit is for emergencies only.

    The primary purpose of the kit is to:
    1. Stay dry
    2. Stay warm/cool
    3. Provide comfort
    4. Insure return home


    As for the inquiry about the compact towel tablets, they are made by a company called Cross. The tablets are 3/4 inch in diameter by 3/8 inch thick. With 1/2 once of water they expand to 9 x 9.4 inches. They are made of 100% Rayon and are very durable. They come (8) to a pack for a dollar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Corndog - My son uses a headlamp and swears by it. He uses it to hike at night among all the other uses. I'm a died in the wool Maglite guy. They're cheap and dang near indestructible. I just purchased an LED version. Zowie, what a lot of light! I tried Lundin's suggestion and wrapped a bunch of duct tape around the end (I also taped a piece of paracord onto the end to form a loop). The duct tape allows me to hold the flashlight in my mouth if I need to use it hands free. The tape provides a soft cushion for my teeth and my lips don't touch cold metal.

    PGV - I've seen a lot of bottle kits and they are a pretty neat idea. My only reservation with them is...if you have to use it and you need the bottle for water, what do you do with the rest of the stuff? You don't list it and might carry one with you but add a bandana and you could carry the stuff hobo style. Just a thought. What are Compact Towel Tablets (9 x 9.4)?

    Rick, if you are going to be a true hobo, the kind that walk with sticks over their shoulders with a red hankercheif tied to the end, I don't think it's fair to have a "back up plan". If your little red scarf blows away, it is gone forever.

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    Well, I'm with you on the survival kits. There are as many types as there are people that carry them. It was just an observation that you can put a lot of stuff in a large mouth nalgene but when you use the bottle then you have to do something with the stuff. That's all. I have a stand alone butt pack for my survival kit but I guess if I ever have to pack my....no, I ain't going there.

    I will check out those Compact Towel Tablets. That's the first time I have heard about them. Thanks for the heads up.

    Corndog - We'll just get our little hobo act going then we can hold hands and skip along the railroad tracks. I'll even let you pick the song to whistle.

    EDIT: Here is a link to the EZ Towel website:

    http://www.eztowel.com/
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    Knowledge of some plants will save you the expense of hauling out some antibiotics (mashed apple leaves for starters) and other common stuff.

    Tell me how to use them apple seeds

    That bottle survival kit sounds good. Cant say im diggin the survival pack in a badanna dosent seem verry secure.But back to the botle kit were you keep it ? Thanks for your post as always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgvoutdoors View Post
    A simple survival kit that can be tossed in a day pack, backpack, or cargo pocket. These items can make the difference in a short term survival situation, 24-48 hours. The sweet thing about it, it all fits in a wide-mouth Nalgene bottle!!!

    1. Steel Match w/ Magnesium bar & a 3 in. piece of hack saw blade
    2. Light weight emergency poncho
    3. Head lamp (small type) w/ batteries
    4. Emergency Blanket
    5. Pocket Knife
    6. Water treatment tablets
    7. First Aid Kit:
    a) Band Aids
    b) Iodine
    c) Roll of Gauze
    d) Tylenol
    e) Compact Towel Tablets (9 x 9.4)
    8. Mini. Compass
    9. Whistle
    10. Small Signal Mirror
    11. 10 ft. of 550 cord
    12. Bouillon Packets
    13. Hard Candy
    14. Water Bottle, 1 qt., wide mouth
    15. Water bottle cup (fits on bottom of water bottle)
    16. Duct Tape ( wrap around top of water bottle)

    I have squeezed even more in some of the kits I've made!!!
    Do you have a link where one might find the cup that fits over the water bottle?
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    Any good outfitter, Gander mountain, Cabela's, campmor.com, you shouldn't have much problem finding one.

    I'll locate a web site and post it.

    http://www.survivalequipment.net/bottleoptions.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    What are Compact Towel Tablets (9 x 9.4)?

    This is what the package looks like, the ones made by Cross. The EZ Towels are the same thing, 100% Rayon and about the same size. I picked up these Cross ones at Walmart. I've got them before at other places as well.
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    Hey PGV - EZ towel is selling those things in a package of 50 and if you look around you can find some sites selling them with a waterproof tube. I just bought some and they should be arriving any time. Thanks again for putting me on to those.
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