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**sh4d0wm4573ri7** · 09-14-2009, 10:02 PM

Anyone tell me what type of snake this is? and whether it is poisonous or not?
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**crashdive123** · 09-14-2009, 10:05 PM

It's difficult to see detail.

**sh4d0wm4573ri7** · 09-14-2009, 10:17 PM

yea was pretty dark exwife found it outside is white greenish black banded on belly and black with tanish bands on its back small but almost 4 ft

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 09-14-2009, 10:41 PM

Judging from the pattern on the belly and from what I can see on the pic it APPEARS to be a black Rat snake But the bands don't sound right for that(but there are always regional variations). It does not appear to be a Viper and because of the coloration we can rule out the Coral snake. That leaves only non-poisonous species. So i don't think you have anything to worry about.

**COWBOYSURVIVAL** · 09-15-2009, 05:37 AM

Cane Break Rattlesnake

**nell67** · 09-15-2009, 07:08 AM

Not sure of the type,but looking at the head,IMO it looks like a poisonous snake,nonpoisonous snakes USUALLY have a more streamlined head,blending more smoothly into their neck.
Poisonous snakes normally have an "arrowhead" shaped head,although some non-p's can flatten their head and make them appear poisonous.

All poisonous snakes have "cat like" pupils where a non-p will have a round pupil. Not advocting picking one up to look into it's eyes,best to let it go on it's way,or dispatch it,which ever you prefer.

**canid** · 09-15-2009, 07:46 AM

yeah, that looks like a rattler to me.

**gryffynklm** · 09-15-2009, 08:42 AM

It's head looks like a viper like a rattlesnake. Look at Western Pigmy Rattlesnake. The head shape is correct and the color and pattern variations are numerous. It also has NO rattle. If it's dead, you can open it's mouth and find the fangs with a stick. A non poisonous snake will not have fangs.

**sh4d0wm4573ri7** · 09-15-2009, 08:51 AM

Is definitely not a rattler looks like some sort of viper to me , updated pics:Guests can not see images in the messages. Please register in the forum.[/URL]

**nell67** · 09-15-2009, 08:54 AM

I am assuming it is dead,if it is,can you get closer pics of the face/head??

**gryffynklm** · 09-15-2009, 08:54 AM

Never mind on my previous post.

**sh4d0wm4573ri7** · 09-15-2009, 08:59 AM

Don't see any fangs its eyes are greenish yellow looks like a viper but with no fangs I don't know unless the fangs are retracted which is possible can't really get its mouth open far enough to tell.

**gryffynklm** · 09-15-2009, 09:02 AM

I didn't realize the head was smashed. It could be a Black King Snake. I don't think its a black racer, I think they have a black belly. That would make it non poisonous.

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 09-15-2009, 09:03 AM

There are a number of snakes that have a similar "arrowhead" shape to their head. But this is not pronounced enough to be a Viper. Sorry but the pattern on the back is not correct for a Rattler and if I thought it was a Viper it would more likely be a water moccasin (Agkistrodon piscivorous) than any other. It Is NOT In the Crotalus family (Rattlesnakes)However I have personally handled many snakes including Rattlesnakes.
Some animals have adapted mimicry to make animals (and people) to think they are more dangerous than they are. A good example is Coral snake Red yellow and black bands touching. On Coral Snakes the Red and Yellow bands touch. On species that mimic them like the Scarlet snake and Scarlet King snake the Red and Black bands touch- Hence the saying "Red touch yellow will kill a fellow, Red touch black is a friend of Jack". Both the Scarlet and Scarlet King eat other snakes.
I used to work in a Serpentarium,in the Okefenokee Swamp Park. Another thing that makes me discard the notion that this is a Viper(Family Viperidae) is that Vipers have a dark band that transverses the eye. The head on this one appears to be solid color.
I used a program on my computer to gblow the image up as much as possible without losing to much detail. My honest opinion is this is a NON-poisonous snake. The detail on the underside tells me that this is NOT a Rattlesnake, or water Moccasin, So it is NOT a viper.

**nell67** · 09-15-2009, 09:05 AM

Some retract their fangs,and others fold back along their jaw,place a stick in the roof of it's mouth(while it is on it's back) and roll the stick forward towards it's nose,if it has fangs retracted,they should protrude out with pressure,either way,if you are not sure,I would burn the carcass,just to make sure no comes into contact with it,if it is poisnous,the poison can still do harm.

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 09-15-2009, 09:05 AM

With better pics I can tell you it IS a Black Rat Snake after looking for 2 seconds. better left alive than dead. However I understand that you don't want to take any chances.

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 09-15-2009, 09:19 AM

Here is a really good shot of a copperhead shot from above so you can see the arrowhead shape of Vipers.
http://www.umass.edu/nrec/snake_pit/pages/copper.html
This is a video of the Water Moccasin.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/video/tt...n-on-blue.aspx
Pit Vipers are usually a thicker bodied snake than non-poisonous snakes.

**sh4d0wm4573ri7** · 09-15-2009, 09:20 AM

My ex made me kill it as it was close to the dog kennel and also she very afraid of snakes and I could not identify it as to whether poisonous or not appreciate the input folks I believe your right it being Rat snake as I do not see any fangs and it was non aggressive. Every Viper I come across has been quite agressive thanks for the help

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 09-15-2009, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by nell67

All poisonous snakes have "cat like" pupils where a non-p will have a round pupil. Not advocting picking one up to look into it's eyes,best to let it go on it's way,or dispatch it,which ever you prefer.

Almost but not quite true, Coral Snakes have a round pupil as do Cobras. Coral Snakes are related to Cobras