AK-47 or M16/M4/AR15

[2dumb2kwit]

I do not believe that a man of your experience would choose a 1911 when you can obviously upgrade to a Glock or Sig. Next your gonna tell us that you hunt with an atlatl. You deserve better than that replaced dischevelment excuse of a combat arm. I'll offer you the same little test of endurance between your G.I. 1911 and the superior designed Sig and Glock. I already know who the top two winners will be. Hint: they aren't single action. Might want to bring along some extra mags, spare extractors, barrel links, and sears just to attempt to keep up I'll just need to bring ammo. You probably won't need much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7wL2QuFTLQ Just sayin'
(You can also watch parts 2, and 3.)

[glockcop]

I hear ya Pal. My toys bust my b@lls on the range from time to time through no fault of my own of course Those darn pistols just have a mind of their own sometimes. Thanks for the fun. I am glad you "get" my gritty sometimes abrasive humor. It's all in fun. Can you believe that one time i was accused of being an @ss cave? I know, I know...Hard to believe.

[glockcop]

I got your Mydol right here. Let me put a bigger smiley face on it so that makes it all OK.

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That what I'm talking about. I want one of those HUGE smiley faces so I don't get misunderstood sometimes. I just recently learned how to stick those little suckers in my posts. I am a slow learner. I was really just poking fun. I thought my sarcastic humor was more evident. I did not intend to come across as condescending. Appologies to anyone offended. Now all I need to do is go to confession and my infractions with God will be forgiven. More sarcasm. Best.

[Rick]

Hay Sarky, can you convert the .pdf to a .jpg? You could size it to anything you want then. I only have the reader, which gives you limited options. I don't have the $11 zillion full version so I don't know what you can save the document as.

[crashdive123]

No apologies needed. Just think of me as one of the traffic cops around here.
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Nothing to see....keep moving.....

[Rick]

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[glockcop]

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That has got to be one P*SSED OFF Detective. Relagated to traffic work. Poor soul. Traffic work sucks real bad. I know one thing , he won't be writting the crash report. SH*T runs down hill thank God.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

I have to say this so please don't take offense Glockcop. When one of those newfangled play purties of yours is in service with the US Armed Forces for almost 80 years then we'll talk. The 1911's service record speaks for itself. I don't like it(the M1911) but that's just me, I still respect an outstanding record like that.

[Ken]

That has got to be one P*SSED OFF Detective. Relagated to traffic work. Poor soul. Traffic work sucks real bad. I know one thing , he won't be writting the crash report. SH*T runs down hill thank God.

That's not a detective. That's Rick playin' in his back yard.

[Ken]

....45 years ago.

[glockcop]

I have to say this so please don't take offense Glockcop. When one of those newfangled play purties of yours is in service with the US Armed Forces for almost 80 years then we'll talk. The 1911's service record speaks for itself. I don't like it(the M1911) but that's just me, I still respect an outstanding record like that.

No offence taken. I do like a 1911 alot. I just choose not to carry one. It is my experience that it is alot easier to get a reliable Sig or Glock. In fact I have never run across an unreliable Sig or Glock. You have a valid point about it's service record. Here comes the but. It is not a pistol for the newly trained shooter. I spend ALOT of time training newbies and the Glock and Sig are easier platforms to safely learn. The problems I have seen with most 1911 stoppages is when the owner tries to "trick it out". Leave the thing alone why don't ya. I have NO problem with an experienced officer (only upper Rank and Detectives can carry one) bringing a good ole 1911 to my range when I am rangemaster but it better not hiccup because then it will be off his hip. Any given 1911 on my range better be as reliable as a Glock or it will not be allowed on street. I do not want a anyone carrying one until he can qualify with a perfect score 4 ,count that 4, times in a row; and he had better have perfect form. Sloppy is not safe. It is not a forgiving platform. I also don't see the Star Trek phazer being invented anytime soon so we will be seeing plenty Sigs and Glocks on the front line of Military and LE service for at least the next couple decades. Who knows they may break the venerable 1911's service record. Not taking away from the 1911 but that would not surprise me at all. That would truly be an Honor for my pets.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

No offence taken. I do like a 1911 alot.......so we will be seeing plenty Sigs and Glocks on the front line of Military and LE service for at least the next couple decades. Who knows they may break the venerable 1911's service record. Not taking away from the 1911 but that would not surprise me at all. That would truly be an Honor for my pets.

I sure hope they do. I also think they have a good chance, as long as the manufacturers don't try to cut corners.

[Sourdough]

The 1911 is a classic piece of machinery that is a joy to look at. It is a ascetic work of art to a firearms lover. The Glocks are Double Butt UGLY, and have not beauty at all, just butt'ugly. The problem is the damn Glocks just work, and work, and work, and they are still butt ugly, but they work, nothing to remember, just pull thingie it go bang. Pull thingie it go bang, and still BUT UGLY......... The older I get, the simpler I want my tools to operate. Yes, even the Butt UGLY Tools.

[doug1980]

I like the AR's but have never shot the AK. But Iwould choose the AR because I am very familiar with it and not too shabby shooting it. Expert 4 years in a row.

As for the Hand guns...well I have no real favorite only what I have used. I love my Taurus' and Beretta's. I also have a SIG and it's not bad either. I am more accurate with the Beretta but it's also a 9MM and I have shot it a lot. The SIG is a .40 and I'm ok with that but I haven't shot it much.

[glockcop]

Hope, You hit the nail on the head. The 1911 is a thing of beauty with strong classic lines. The Glock is definately lacking in "perdy" but to me beauty is as beauty does. Glocks just work no matter what you throw at them (or in them, or them in). I may be crazy but I do think that Sigs are eye pleasing especially the two tone ELITE and all stainless ones. I have two all stainless and 2 two tone. I really like to "fondle" my Sigs just as much as shooting them. My wife who is very "perdy" gets jealous. Don't go there. You all have filthy minds .

[doug1980]

They old saying in off roading is "Chrome don't get you home" thought that phrase kinda fit this discussion. But I still do love me some chrome.

[Pict]

I own both the AK and the AR. There are serious differences between the two weapons. I wouldn't have a problem with either of them but both have their limitations.

I know my AR starts to get sluggish at about 350 rounds without cleaning and will begin to jam thereafter, failure to feed. Stripping out the bolt carrier and giving it a quick wipe-down with solvent gets it back up and running.

My AK would stay in action with a monthly decarbonizaton using the awl on my SAK and a splash of kerosene.

My AR is far more accurate than my AK. With an AK I can hit a steel piggy about 85% of the time at 300 meters. The AR will do better than that at 400. Inside 200 meters you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference in terms of practical accuracy. I have a video of me shooting 30 for 30, standing, at an 18 inch gong at 120 yards with the AK. Not that, that is any great feat of marksmanship but the AK has plenty of combat accuracy at combat ranges.

I give the AK the edge in terms of power and reliability and the AR the advantage in terms of accuracy and handling characteristics. The 7.62x39 round is better at penetrating cover. AK magazines are built like tanks whereas the AR mags can't take much abuse.

Either of these guns will serve just fine as long as you know how to run the gun. I can have either and choose to keep my AK (mags and ammo) on hand while the AR sits in a gunsafe not at my location. That way if I'm here or there I'll have a gun that works just fine.

As a side note, I used to do alot of full-auto shooting. One constant feature of full auto shoots is that the guns eventually choke, all of them. They all run great until they suddenly stop and have to be sorted out. Except for the AK's, they just don't go down. The AK is far from perfect but it will be there for you to the end just being it's plain old ugly self. Mac

[glockcop]

Pict, I do not disbelieve you but you must be blessed with a particullarly accurate AK. Every AK that I have worked with had a very difficult time making even a measurable group on a man sized target at 200 yards. They could be measured in feet not inches. A few stock AR's I've used could print 2inch groups all day long at that yardage. You had better hold on to that sucker if it hits like that. The AK's have run great for me. Just could'nt hit much of the "out yander" stuff. It was outside of their capability, not mine. Take care.

[Pal334]

Well,, that seals it! We all agree to disagree. We have again presented our varied opinions. Now folks can take what they like from the discussion, or discard the whole thing. Mission accomplished .

[Ken]

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